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TacSun 09-Apr-17 01:48 PM
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#67714, "RE: Grinding"


          

>It's necessary, because you can't have every character
>automatically start at lvl 51 with a full set of armor,
>perfect stats and perfect skills.

This is false. You can have this. I think you mean to say "shouldn't have every character" which is a different statement, but also untrue.

Lots of online multiplayer games start you with a character that is exactly as powerful as it will ever be.

>There needs to be an element of "earning" power. The way that
>happens is primarily through grinding. If you have a better
>alternative that can work on a large scale, I'd love to hear
>it. So would every MMO developer out there, I expect.

Why does there need to be an elemental of earning power? Why does that have to happen through grinding? Why wouldn't leveling which is so trivially easy as to only be done when you wanted to not work? I'm not saying grinding isn't a tried and true method, but I'm asking you to question the basic assumption that it is essentially the "only" way.

There is also the point that most places with a lot of grind also allow you to play a character forever. You never have it auto deleted or age die out from under you... That grind work sticks with the character forever.

>And for the record, I'm not saying grinding is desirable. I'm
>saying its necessary and not un-desirable.

I agree it is not entirely un-desirable, but not that it is necessary. It might make sense for the kind of game CF is, or wants to be, but that doesn't mean it is the only way.

  

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HOT TopicCF is convulsing on the ground. [View all] , wln, Sat 08-Apr-17 02:20 PM
Reply Rewards aren't the issue., Eskelian, 24-Apr-17 09:24 AM, #124
Reply RE: Rewards aren't the issue., Isildur, 24-Apr-17 01:09 PM, #125
     Reply Generally..., Eskelian, 24-Apr-17 01:55 PM, #126
          Reply That's exactly how it's addictive, Kstatida, 24-Apr-17 02:20 PM, #127
          Reply RE: Generally..., Jormyr, 24-Apr-17 04:15 PM, #128
               Reply This is what did it for me..., TheProphet1, 24-Apr-17 06:18 PM, #130
               Reply It doesn't matter really, Kstatida, 25-Apr-17 04:57 AM, #131
               Reply Not playing for a time often helped me *regain* interes..., Murphy, 25-Apr-17 06:39 AM, #132
               Reply This may be a case as well NT, Kstatida, 25-Apr-17 06:47 AM, #133
               Reply These days..., Just another batch of carrion (Anonymous), 26-Apr-17 06:34 AM, #135
               Reply You mean to say, it doesn't matter to *YOU*. , Eskelian, 27-Apr-17 09:45 AM, #136
               Reply RE: Generally..., Eskelian, 25-Apr-17 09:06 AM, #134
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., ordasen, 20-Apr-17 07:43 AM, #123
Reply I agree about.., Kalageadon, 24-Apr-17 04:24 PM, #129
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Not An Imm, 18-Apr-17 08:22 PM, #120
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Marcus_, 10-Apr-17 06:48 PM, #102
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Jhyrbian, 10-Apr-17 06:49 PM, #103
Reply Somewhat more elaborated, Marcus_, 11-Apr-17 04:27 AM, #106
Reply Allow to make a choice?, Kstatida, 11-Apr-17 10:24 AM, #110
     Reply Good idea, but, wln, 11-Apr-17 10:52 AM, #113
Reply No, it's not the main reason., wln, 11-Apr-17 06:00 AM, #107
     Reply I hate to break it to you...., Tac, 11-Apr-17 07:08 AM, #108
          Reply No, sir., wln, 11-Apr-17 09:39 AM, #109
Reply Time management/investment., Raltevio, 10-Apr-17 10:28 AM, #69
Reply RE: Time management/investment., Jhyrbian, 10-Apr-17 10:35 AM, #71
Reply There are a lot of different ways to manage edge points..., Raltevio, 10-Apr-17 10:48 AM, #72
     Reply RE: There are a lot of different ways to manage edge po..., Jhyrbian, 10-Apr-17 10:52 AM, #73
Reply RE: Time management/investment., Tac, 10-Apr-17 11:25 AM, #74
Reply RE: Time management/investment., Destuvius, 10-Apr-17 11:41 AM, #76
Reply FIFY, Saagkri, 10-Apr-17 04:31 PM, #96
Reply Probably goes without saying but.., Raltevio, 10-Apr-17 12:57 PM, #87
Reply I take issue with this., Java, 10-Apr-17 11:41 AM, #77
Reply RE: I take issue with this., Jhyrbian, 10-Apr-17 11:50 AM, #79
Reply Huh...they communicate more than ever dude!, TMNS, 10-Apr-17 12:27 PM, #83
     Reply Java does have points., Raltevio, 10-Apr-17 12:47 PM, #86
          Reply RE: Java does have points., Saagkri, 10-Apr-17 04:46 PM, #98
          Reply Of course...communication can ALWAYS get better., TMNS, 10-Apr-17 05:36 PM, #100
Reply RE: Time management/investment., wln, 10-Apr-17 12:11 PM, #80
Reply There was a reason Bron keep coming to your shrine., TMNS, 10-Apr-17 12:29 PM, #84
Reply Was fun., Raltevio, 10-Apr-17 01:48 PM, #89
Reply RE: Time management/investment., Saagkri, 10-Apr-17 04:43 PM, #97
Reply EP system as it is now looks good and well balanced for..., Shapa, 10-Apr-17 03:50 AM, #61
Reply Try to read the initial posts before answering, wln, 10-Apr-17 04:20 AM, #62
Reply Why make even more grinding? , Shapa, 10-Apr-17 04:59 AM, #63
     Reply RE: Why make even more grinding? , Kstatida, 10-Apr-17 06:22 AM, #64
     Reply Shapa and others don't really get it., -flso, 10-Apr-17 10:07 AM, #68
     Reply RE: Why make even more grinding? , wln, 10-Apr-17 12:17 PM, #81
Reply My #####. Maybe you'll listen to Shaapa? NT, TMNS, 10-Apr-17 12:22 PM, #82
Reply Someone should probably land the killing blow already....., Tac, 09-Apr-17 01:15 PM, #25
Reply TMNS, Isildur and Jhyrbian seems to be trying to do tha..., wln, 09-Apr-17 01:26 PM, #27
     Reply RE: TMNS, Isildur and Jhyrbian seems to be trying to do..., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 01:31 PM, #29
     Reply You don't play., Tac, 09-Apr-17 01:34 PM, #30
     Reply RE: You don't play., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 01:38 PM, #33
          Reply Pretty sure I asked you in like... the last month..., Tac, 09-Apr-17 01:58 PM, #38
               Reply RE: Pretty sure I asked you in like... the last month....., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 01:59 PM, #40
     Reply Though I respect you as a a player..., wln, 09-Apr-17 01:37 PM, #32
          Reply RE: Though I respect you as a a player..., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 01:39 PM, #34
               Reply RE: Though I respect you as a a player..., Java, 09-Apr-17 01:46 PM, #35
               Reply RE: Though I respect you as a a player..., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 01:58 PM, #39
                    Reply Again, couldn't have said it better., TMNS, 09-Apr-17 02:24 PM, #42
                    Reply Pretty much this, Bemused, 09-Apr-17 02:34 PM, #44
                    Reply Then why do you keep arguing to keep the system as-is?, Java, 09-Apr-17 02:54 PM, #45
                         Reply RE: Then why do you keep arguing to keep the system as-..., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 03:07 PM, #48
                              Reply RE: Then why do you keep arguing to keep the system as-..., Java, 09-Apr-17 03:30 PM, #51
                                   Reply RE: Then why do you keep arguing to keep the system as-..., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 03:42 PM, #52
                                        Reply I think he'd make a decent IMM! NT, TMNS, 09-Apr-17 04:54 PM, #56
               Reply Did you learn from Umiron that trick?, wln, 09-Apr-17 03:49 PM, #53
                    Reply RE: Did you learn from Umiron that trick?, Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 04:00 PM, #54
     Reply Actually..., TMNS, 09-Apr-17 03:10 PM, #49
          Reply Hell, Same made me play again, Onewingedangel, 19-Apr-17 07:33 PM, #121
Reply Posts like these make me laugh., TMNS, 08-Apr-17 11:36 PM, #14
Reply RE: Posts like these make me laugh., Kstatida, 09-Apr-17 02:23 AM, #15
     Reply I did not WHINE about any of these things., TMNS, 09-Apr-17 02:18 PM, #41
          Reply Be real, jalbrin, 09-Apr-17 04:38 PM, #55
               Reply I'm sure no one "likes" him..., TMNS, 10-Apr-17 05:39 PM, #101
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Isildur, 08-Apr-17 07:56 PM, #11
Reply Me and you are copacetic about this. NT, TMNS, 08-Apr-17 11:34 PM, #13
Reply And again, Kstatida, 09-Apr-17 02:24 AM, #16
Reply RE: And again, Isildur, 09-Apr-17 05:25 PM, #57
     Reply Yup, Forsaken NT, Kstatida, 10-Apr-17 03:49 PM, #93
Reply CF is not an Isildur-only game (or wait...), wln, 09-Apr-17 01:14 PM, #24
Reply RE: CF is not an Isildur-only game (or wait...), Isildur, 09-Apr-17 05:33 PM, #58
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Java, 09-Apr-17 01:20 PM, #26
Reply RE: Grinding, Tac, 09-Apr-17 01:29 PM, #28
Reply RE: Grinding, Java, 09-Apr-17 01:35 PM, #31
     Reply RE: Grinding, Tac, 09-Apr-17 01:48 PM #37
          Reply You're right, that is possible., Java, 09-Apr-17 03:24 PM, #50
               Reply If majority would want it, there would be a high online..., wln, 10-Apr-17 01:53 PM, #90
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Isildur, 09-Apr-17 05:46 PM, #59
     Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Java, 10-Apr-17 06:50 AM, #65
     Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Isildur, 10-Apr-17 07:35 AM, #66
     Reply You're wrong, Kstatida, 10-Apr-17 03:56 PM, #94
          Reply RE: You're wrong, Jhyrbian, 10-Apr-17 05:08 PM, #99
               Reply Your logic is flawed, Kstatida, 11-Apr-17 10:29 AM, #111
                    Reply RE: Your logic is flawed, Jhyrbian, 11-Apr-17 10:49 AM, #112
                         Reply I could care less about his ideas NT, Kstatida, 11-Apr-17 11:17 AM, #114
                         Reply According to me how?, Tac, 11-Apr-17 02:01 PM, #115
                              Reply RE: According to me how?, Jhyrbian, 11-Apr-17 02:34 PM, #116
                                   Reply No you aren't... Bro, Tac, 11-Apr-17 03:20 PM, #117
                                        Reply RE: No you aren't... Bro, Jhyrbian, 11-Apr-17 04:23 PM, #118
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Jhyrbian, 09-Apr-17 01:46 PM, #36
     Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Isildur, 09-Apr-17 06:07 PM, #60
Reply My generally commentary remains the same, Destuvius, 08-Apr-17 05:20 PM, #3
Reply Everyone told it hundreds of times already, wln, 08-Apr-17 05:52 PM, #4
Reply You need to figure out how to get Scar to do it, Destuvius, 08-Apr-17 07:22 PM, #6
     Reply I thought it's responsibility of the staff, wln, 08-Apr-17 07:41 PM, #8
          Reply Things are oft discussed, Destuvius, 08-Apr-17 07:44 PM, #9
               Reply So it's the best time to ask and deliver thoughts about..., wln, 08-Apr-17 07:50 PM, #10
Reply RE: My generally commentary remains the same, Java, 08-Apr-17 06:35 PM, #5
Reply RE: My generally commentary remains the same, Destuvius, 08-Apr-17 07:28 PM, #7
     Reply Dude...we have a serious disconnect here., TMNS, 08-Apr-17 11:32 PM, #12
     Reply RE: My generally commentary remains the same, Java, 09-Apr-17 05:02 AM, #17
          Reply Veting Imms, Destuvius, 09-Apr-17 05:43 AM, #18
               Reply RE: Veting Imms, Java, 09-Apr-17 07:12 AM, #19
                    Reply People vs process, Destuvius, 09-Apr-17 07:34 AM, #20
                         Reply RE: People vs process, Java, 09-Apr-17 07:51 AM, #21
                              Reply Fwiw, Destuvius, 09-Apr-17 07:59 AM, #22
                              Reply Fair enough. , Java, 09-Apr-17 10:14 AM, #23
                              Reply You've also "rushed" former IMMs., TMNS, 09-Apr-17 02:27 PM, #43
                              Reply Not only him!, Destuvius, 09-Apr-17 02:56 PM, #46
                                   Reply :(, TMNS, 09-Apr-17 03:07 PM, #47
                              Reply A week?, lasentia, 10-Apr-17 09:49 AM, #67
                                   Reply If you're pushing it and not super detail oriented.., Raltevio, 10-Apr-17 10:33 AM, #70
                                   Reply RE: A week?, Destuvius, 10-Apr-17 11:49 AM, #78
                                        Reply RE: A week?, lasentia, 10-Apr-17 12:41 PM, #85
                                             Reply Mine was 10ish, we ask for about 30 rooms now, Destuvius, 10-Apr-17 12:59 PM, #88
                                                  Reply Oh, that's way less than I thought was required, lasentia, 10-Apr-17 01:58 PM, #91
                                                  Reply RE: Oh, that's way less than I thought was required, Destuvius, 10-Apr-17 02:11 PM, #92
                                                       Reply Update the sticky?, Tac, 10-Apr-17 03:59 PM, #95
                                                            Reply Which?, Destuvius, 10-Apr-17 06:57 PM, #104
                                                                 Reply That one..., Tac, 10-Apr-17 07:22 PM, #105
                                                  Reply That does not seem bad at all., Drehir, 11-Apr-17 08:29 PM, #119
                                                  Reply RE: Mine was 10ish, we ask for about 30 rooms now, ordasen, 20-Apr-17 07:16 AM, #122
                              Reply Don't you get it?, Eskelian, 02-May-17 07:11 PM, #137
Reply You mean rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic?, Stunna, 10-Apr-17 11:39 AM, #75
Reply RE: CF is convulsing on the ground., Squaremaster, 08-Apr-17 04:46 PM, #2
Reply +1 (n/t), N b M, 08-Apr-17 03:21 PM, #1
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