Umiron | Wed 28-Dec-16 10:54 AM |
Member since 29th May 2017
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#66023, "RE: Assassins are broken."
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>Ground control has a *chance* of perma-lag. Current logs are >generally assassin's vs other melee, or each other. Glik's >logs, for example, show him literally using his abilities to >actually *improve* the assassin's chances and viability of >throw. Sure, his style works great at a lot of situations, but >you've got a matchup where both characters benefit from low >auto-melee.
The distinction with throw and ground control, with the edge(s), is that the chance is especially high and there is very little most characters can do to mitigate it.
Bash on the other hand is a lot less reliable or predictable with regard to the lag and can mitigated in at least a couple ways by almost anyone, at least in the sense that if the warrior is smart enough and prepared enough to counter your counters there is a downside involved.
Neurological disruption is similar in that the defense against it is straightforward, if a bit impractical at times since one probably has to give up a LOT to seriously mitigate ND. A ton of SvS + SvP will make a huge difference but if you aren't covering stats or you have a damroll of 20 then maybe the proposition isn't worth it. But that's a different debate.
>To your "rule", however - a lot of CF class balance comes from >having various pieces of the puzzle at different amounts. >Paladin's are amazing in a cage match, but little lag or flee >prevention. Orcs have great lagging, but like defending with >their faces. AP's have tons of options for any situation, but >rarely an amazing one. I tend to think assassins have a >generally jack-of-all-trades approach, but perhaps a little >too much of each piece of the pie.
I wouldn't say assassins are "OP". To me, overpowered leans toward a scenario where it's practically harder to lose than it is to win most of the time and I don't think assassins are there. But when something starts to go from jack of all trades and master of none to jack of all trades and master of all then maybe it's worth taking a look at. If nothing else, the game is more interesting if more classes get played more of the time and there are a wider variety of fight match-ups at any given time, both in general and at the "top" of the ladder.
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Assassins are broken.
[View all] , Athioles, Mon 26-Dec-16 08:45 AM
RE: Assassins are broken.,
SideStrider,
28-Dec-16 10:16 PM, #85
Assassin Solution,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 10:40 PM, #86
could start by tweaking the maledicts down,
Dallevian,
28-Dec-16 11:18 PM, #87
I'd propose the following,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 03:13 AM, #88
I dunno,
incognito,
29-Dec-16 05:02 AM, #89
Hey I think -30 maladicts are quite enough,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:48 AM, #90
FWIW - I don't think these complaints would be here if ...,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 10:36 AM, #96
Easy. Get rid of the ground control edge.,
Quixotic,
29-Dec-16 11:34 AM, #97
Get rid of trance - keep the edge ;).,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 02:01 PM, #99
You could code,
laxman,
29-Dec-16 06:45 PM, #102
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Humbert,
28-Dec-16 09:30 AM, #70
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 09:59 AM, #71
To a point, yeah,
N b M,
28-Dec-16 10:20 AM, #72
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Umiron,
28-Dec-16 10:54 AM #74
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 12:34 PM, #76
Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #77
RE: Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t,
N b M,
28-Dec-16 04:08 PM, #81
I would support the same rule for neuro/bash as well,
Humbert,
28-Dec-16 04:31 PM, #82
re: Orc,
Tac,
29-Dec-16 09:05 AM, #95
Yeah,
Marcus_,
27-Dec-16 09:19 PM, #56
Not sure if you've played assassin lately but...,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 11:07 PM, #57
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 04:20 PM, #50
Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot...,
Sarien,
27-Dec-16 04:43 PM, #52
RE: Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot...,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 06:50 PM, #55
Perfected savage feeding is BRUTAL.,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:05 AM, #58
Assassins are fine.,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 01:46 PM, #45
Boom. n/t,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 02:00 PM, #46
RE: Assassins are fine.,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 04:22 PM, #51
Yes.,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 06:40 PM, #54
What you seem to ignore,
incognito,
28-Dec-16 07:39 AM, #65
A few random thoughts:,
Umiron,
27-Dec-16 11:15 AM, #40
It's those master edges that feel broken.,
Murphy,
27-Dec-16 12:17 AM, #36
Agreed,
Calion,
27-Dec-16 12:17 PM, #42
I like the one that lets me vanish better. n/t,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 01:02 PM, #43
I have this feeling that Nep would laugh at you,
-flso,
26-Dec-16 11:32 PM, #35
With all due respect.,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 03:05 AM, #37
Remove martial trance. n/t,
Saagkri,
26-Dec-16 10:51 PM, #33
Ground control is the key,
DeathIncarnate,
26-Dec-16 06:04 PM, #28
Am I the only one that mostly uses trip? n/t,
Lhydia,
26-Dec-16 06:18 PM, #30
People should take notes about this,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 04:50 PM, #26
No doubt. ,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:06 AM, #59
Everyone inspires you to roll another Transmuter.,
Onewingedangel,
28-Dec-16 07:03 PM, #84
Don't bother (n/t),
N b M,
26-Dec-16 04:32 PM, #24
Well, we've talked about this a bunch...,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:56 PM, #20
You are good at pk.,
Lhydia,
26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #13
he'd die a lot without hide,
Dallevian,
26-Dec-16 03:30 PM, #18
I don't know about 'a lot".,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 04:15 AM, #39
What race was Sindrir?,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 02:30 PM, #47
Shaapa got gate nerfed and was one reason Healers got n...,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:59 PM, #22
What healer are you talking about?,
Navarone1984,
26-Dec-16 04:36 PM, #25
RE: What healer are you talking about?,
Umiron,
27-Dec-16 01:45 PM, #44
Or tweak dex changes,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:35 PM, #11
This as well,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 02:40 PM, #15
Fwiw,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 04:07 PM, #23
Thing is, that axespec should be duergar,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 06:00 PM, #27
A few points.,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 03:07 AM, #38
3 makes me mad :(,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:08 AM, #60
RE: Fwiw,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 06:08 PM, #29
WM is opposite of high str,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 06:58 PM, #31
I have a better proposal,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:42 AM, #10
Are you playing an assassin?,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:37 PM, #12
I don't think that's a problem,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #14
RE: I don't think that's a problem,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:45 PM, #17
Which I think should be more available as well,
Kstatida,
28-Dec-16 03:22 AM, #63
Some disagreement,
Jormyr,
26-Dec-16 11:07 AM, #6
I largely agree with your analysis,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:16 AM, #7
RE: I largely agree with your analysis,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 11:28 AM, #8
This is true,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:38 AM, #9
What's that quote?,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:09 AM, #61
RE: Some disagreement,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:43 PM, #16
Heh.,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:54 PM, #19
Scion despoiled transmuters were breaking the game, reg...,
-flso,
26-Dec-16 11:20 PM, #34
I had 60 pks at the level you get duo with a transmuter...,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:12 AM, #62
RE: Some disagreement,
Isildur,
26-Dec-16 08:56 PM, #32
RE: Some disagreement,
incognito,
27-Dec-16 11:35 AM, #41
RE: Some disagreement,
Isildur,
27-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #48
Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO.,
TMNS,
27-Dec-16 04:10 PM, #49
RE: Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO.,
Isildur,
27-Dec-16 04:53 PM, #53
OMG BUT THEY WILL TRIP,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 07:31 AM, #64
We're not seeing more of their abilities.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 08:07 AM, #66
Once again.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 08:27 AM, #67
Ok, that's fine.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 08:37 AM, #68
RE: Ok, that's fine.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 08:58 AM, #69
Really? Trip?,
Murphy,
28-Dec-16 10:53 AM, #73
Yeah but most people don't use trip.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 11:37 AM, #75
RE: Yeah but most people don't use trip.,
Destuvius,
28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #78
With no edges,
incognito,
28-Dec-16 02:34 PM, #79
One round lag on missed trip.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 03:18 PM, #80
Lies. You only play paladins. NT,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 05:07 PM, #83
Umm what?,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:49 AM, #91
No, Jalim speaks the truth.,
Murphy,
29-Dec-16 05:57 AM, #92
Not entirely correct. Maybe 1.5?,
Tac,
29-Dec-16 08:55 AM, #93
1.(6) or thereabouts. (nt),
Umiron,
29-Dec-16 09:03 AM, #94
Holy Molly!,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 12:44 PM, #98
New like 1994...,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 04:09 PM, #100
As an assassin, I prefer throw,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:02 PM, #101
Much respect to you,
Humbert,
26-Dec-16 10:57 AM, #5
Balrahd kinda did with Ktaar :),
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #21
Any thoughts on edges maybe?,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 10:18 AM, #1
RE: Any thoughts on edges maybe?,
Athioles,
26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #2
Didn't you know? Throw doesn't win fights.,
Navarone1984,
26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #3
You mistake throw for deathblow,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 10:32 AM, #4
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