vorian | Thu 22-Sep-16 06:17 PM |
Member since 23rd Oct 2009
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#65001, "Newbies, low and medium skilled players"
Edited on Thu 22-Sep-16 06:18 PM
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>>>The argument that it gave vets an advantage is not a very >>>solid argument. Vet's will always have an advantage, and >>>this isn't something that can be remedied. >> >>False. It is a solid argument and it can be remedied by >>diminishing the sum of advantages a vet can gather over >>newbies. > >Sorry, but you're wrong. A newbie isn't going to know where >to get the 'best' gear at his level, nor know the vuln system >inside/out. Probably also won't max his skills prior to 20, >or have ready access to the preps/recall/teleport/etc that I >will at 20. Newbie is going to get pwnd whether I have 0 >edges, or 100 edges.
I think you're right for a total newbie: 0 or 100 edges make little difference. My argument is more for the low and medium skilled player who's able to escape dying and feels ready to try pking. Let's take the example of that Necro or AP who has a great chance to seal a kill if he can land "sleep". Having the "Remain conscious" edge is an advantage the vets have. And we know vets know better how to have more edges than less skilled players.
>>>The fact of the matter is, a lot of vets myself included >>>enjoyed edges. If you brought methods of obtaining edges >>>back, and or added new methods it would likely result in >>more people playing. >> >>Or it can have the exact opposite effect: as one realize how >>complicated and time consuming is this game, it is likely > and I suspect it is why playerbase is going down) he'll go >>somewhere else where he feels he can do more than just not >>dying to pk fights... >> > >Edges were optional, and really only gave 1 vet an "edge" over >another vet. The "true newbies" are just speedbumps, and will >remain so because of what I said above. There is no edge that >offers any advantage that doesn't pale in comparison to a >solid understand of game mechanics, combined with >equipment/prep knowledge and class knowledge.
Once again you're right for true newbies. Once again I think the edges favours vets over medium skill players as I described with Necro and AP example.
>>>adding incentive's that draw vets to play is good for the >>>pbase because, vets are the ones running newbies around >>>in-game for a lot of their "1st's". >> >>I've been playing CF for almost 10 years and I rarely seen >>vets taking time to run newbies around... I think it's >better to bet on making the game a bit less complicated to attract new players >> > >I've been playing for 21 years, does that mean that my opinion >that edges were 'good' for the game is more valid than your opinion?
Not at all. You think Edges is a good thing to attract new players or keep the players playing CF. I think it (among other things) does the opposite effects. We can't know who's of us is right because we havent seen the numbers post edge-abolition. But one thing we know is CF players numbers are going down over the years.
>>>Frankly, the gutting of the edge system over time by Umiron >>>was largely met with negative reaction. It was, and remains >>>a hugely unpopular change. I hope that the replacement staff >>>addresses the fact that a widely well received method of >>>character customization was removed without any type of replacement. >> >>False: there's a lot of positive comments on the change. With >>all the classes, races, legacies, virtues, thief points, etc. >>we have plenty of customization available. I don't think >>losing the customization possibilities offered by edges is up >>to the benefits it can bring to player base. Not only newbies >>will find it less complicated but there's vet who, like >>myself, find it very interesting not having to see the same >>room/mob again and again to gather edges points. > >Yeah, QHCF was just overwhelmed with 'positive' feedback to >these changes(obvious sarcasm). I also imagine that the >onslaught of praise for these changes is what drove Umiron to >deletion.
QHCF is not the only CF forum and bottom line is : the majority of human race is afraid and/or hate changes.
I suppose there's a limit to the #### and bad vibes a person can take....
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Edgepoints
[View all] , Sarien, Wed 14-Sep-16 09:05 AM
Hehehe, like there's new players. There's no one left b...,
Serial Ranger,
16-Oct-16 11:02 PM, #74
There are new players.,
Aereglen,
17-Oct-16 12:00 AM, #75
Of course,
vorian,
19-Oct-16 06:58 PM, #76
RE: Edgepoints,
Bemused,
22-Sep-16 12:50 AM, #49
Well done Umi !,
vorian,
15-Sep-16 09:22 PM, #25
False.,
Aereglen,
16-Sep-16 01:42 PM, #31
Try to see it my way?,
vorian,
17-Sep-16 10:53 PM, #33
Conversely,
incognito,
18-Sep-16 01:28 AM, #34
RE: Conversely,
Destuvius,
18-Sep-16 05:24 AM, #35
Fighter, Cleric, Mage, Thief.,
Murphy,
18-Sep-16 06:58 AM, #36
DWARF CLERIC IN MASTER PLZ AND THX. NT,
TMNS,
18-Sep-16 08:35 PM, #37
Did somebody say...,
Umiron,
18-Sep-16 09:01 PM, #39
Slander and falsehoods.,
Jormyr,
18-Sep-16 11:48 PM, #40
Cock-tease :) NT,
TMNS,
19-Sep-16 01:51 PM, #43
I thought the same.,
Aereglen,
19-Sep-16 03:36 PM, #46
Umiron, I have to say....,
Doof,
20-Sep-16 04:50 AM, #47
This is already too much fluff...,
vorian,
18-Sep-16 08:58 PM, #38
RE: Conversely,
incognito,
19-Sep-16 03:22 PM, #45
Seriously...,
vorian,
22-Sep-16 05:30 PM, #50
RE: Seriously...,
incognito,
23-Sep-16 03:51 AM, #56
The absurdity here...,
vorian,
23-Sep-16 05:05 PM, #57
RE: The absurdity here...,
incognito,
24-Sep-16 02:59 PM, #58
Apparently,
vorian,
25-Sep-16 10:01 PM, #60
RE: Apparently,
incognito,
26-Sep-16 10:40 AM, #64
Obviously,
vorian,
29-Sep-16 05:08 PM, #65
RE: Obviously,
Kstatida,
29-Sep-16 06:11 PM, #66
You did it again,
vorian,
29-Sep-16 07:17 PM, #67
RE: You did it again,
Kstatida,
30-Sep-16 06:02 AM, #68
My name is Kstatida,
vorian,
30-Sep-16 07:34 AM, #69
Being someone's muse, I feel accomplished,
Kstatida,
30-Sep-16 08:02 AM, #70
RE: Well done Umi !,
Sarien,
19-Sep-16 12:53 PM, #41
RE: Well done Umi !,
Kstatida,
19-Sep-16 01:33 PM, #42
Some food for thought,
Destuvius,
19-Sep-16 01:55 PM, #44
Newbies, low and medium skilled players,
vorian,
22-Sep-16 06:18 PM #51
Wat? Does that mean I'm a vet now?,
Murphy,
22-Sep-16 09:31 PM, #52
No you're OOP...,
vorian,
25-Sep-16 09:55 PM, #59
I can live with that.,
Murphy,
25-Sep-16 10:26 PM, #61
Actually this post is a counter example to itself,
KaguMaru,
26-Sep-16 09:47 AM, #62
Are you saying ,
vorian,
03-Oct-16 07:08 PM, #71
It's all the same,
Kstatida,
04-Oct-16 01:08 AM, #73
RE: Newbies, low and medium skilled players,
incognito,
26-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #63
Same as above to KaguMaru,
vorian,
03-Oct-16 07:12 PM, #72
I like the changes Umiron made.,
TMNS,
15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #18
Edge points from dying?,
Marcus_,
14-Sep-16 08:01 PM, #11
Define the degree?,
lasentia,
14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #4
This,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #5
Back in the day when you got EP for every 500 explore,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 11:14 AM, #6
that's an interesting theory,
lasentia,
14-Sep-16 12:06 PM, #9
Tail started to wag the dog.,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 12:19 PM, #10
Lol, I wasn't that serious.,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 09:00 PM, #12
In so many ways, this.,
Jormyr,
14-Sep-16 11:54 PM, #13
RE: In so many ways, this.,
Andrlos,
15-Sep-16 01:22 AM, #14
I've done something similar on a few occasions,
Destuvius,
15-Sep-16 05:18 AM, #15
The instant you make the reward more than flair,
lasentia,
15-Sep-16 08:32 AM, #16
I wonder why do you play this game,
Kstatida,
15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #19
Hey welcome back! NT,
TMNS,
15-Sep-16 10:36 AM, #17
Good to be back.,
Andrlos,
15-Sep-16 11:58 AM, #20
10 years? ####, I hate myself now :).,
TMNS,
22-Sep-16 10:08 PM, #53
only 10?,
laxman,
22-Sep-16 11:04 PM, #54
You don't remember I used to make fun of you guys for p...,
TMNS,
22-Sep-16 11:51 PM, #55
It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge poi...,
-flso,
15-Sep-16 07:02 PM, #22
Do you even play CF anymore?,
Destuvius,
15-Sep-16 07:49 PM, #23
I don't play anymore,
-flso,
20-Sep-16 08:24 PM, #48
RE: It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge...,
Demos,
15-Sep-16 09:13 PM, #24
Discussing things doesn't take much time,
Kstatida,
16-Sep-16 01:05 AM, #26
RE: Discussing things doesn't take much time,
Demos,
16-Sep-16 07:42 AM, #27
Oh,
Kstatida,
16-Sep-16 08:52 AM, #28
Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your ass...,
-flso,
15-Sep-16 03:30 PM, #21
RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your...,
Kstatida,
16-Sep-16 08:53 AM, #29
He _IS_ the most relentless PKer around,
Murphy,
16-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #30
RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your...,
incognito,
17-Sep-16 02:36 AM, #32
But warren claims it's a good change.,
Aereglen,
14-Sep-16 10:13 AM, #1
It is. No doubt IMMS will find a balanced solution, as ...,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 10:31 AM, #2
Don't count on it.,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 11:19 AM, #8
However, the only really bad thing is...,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #3
Actually, shapeshifters are the least screwed.,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 11:16 AM, #7
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