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AlstonThu 14-Jun-12 11:36 AM
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#45845, "To your points."


          

You wrote : 1. The ranger can permalag, but the assassin can't. Played well on the ranger's part, the assassin's choice to mark may cost him his life.

Only some rangers can permalag in some niche circumstances. Their ability to permalag can also be countered with preps, the evade skill (which is typically highly developed in an assassin by the time a ranger can effectivly lag) and assassin specific edges. So in short assassins can not be permalaged.

You wrote: 2. The ranger also knows at least one weapon the assassin does not. Makes it likely the ranger will win in a slug fest.

The ranger, being unable to effectivly lag an assassin will not be holding that weapon. In the event he manages to lag the assassin those weapons are easily dodged. Assassins dodge very well already and have edges that let them dodge even better.

You wrote: 3. The assassin can maledict and the ranger, relatively, can't. Increases assassin's chances when the fight draws out.

Exactly.

You wrote: 4. The ranger can use staves and scrolls, and the assassin cannot. DR advantage to the ranger when the fight draws out.

The rangers that permalag can not use scrolls, and assassins can use preps that give the same DR as any scroll. Staves have tremendous lag and cost a weapon/shield slot to use. In the time it takes to brandish again, you have a broken wrist. Rangers have one edge that gives them a little boost with talismans but it's not a game changer that I can see.

You wrote: 5. Both classes dodge extremely well (in the wilds) and both can heal themselves and escape quickly (pathfinding and vanish). So the battles can take some time without the old flee/quaff.

Assassins dodge better in more places than rangers do. Assassins dodge better in the wilds than some rangers do. Especially with some assassin/racial edges. Herbs has a very very long lag and the ranger has to run far to safely use it. By the time he returns the assassin is likely to be in fighting shape, unable to be surprised and ready to put the same amount or more hurt on you since if he managed to mark you, you can't burst damage on him except with a very niche build or call lightning, which not all rangers have. The fight is effectvly over for most ranger assassin match ups when the mark is placed. For me at least.

My own addition to this with regard to perma lag. It requires preps that can be counter prepped and if you are a cloud you have the disadcantage of being highly vuln to a very common attack type.




  

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HOT Topic(EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss changin... [View all] , Alston, Thu 14-Jun-12 10:26 AM
Reply One change i would love to see with mark, Iklahn (Anonymous), 14-Jun-12 06:33 PM, #46
Reply Sold. Done. (n/t), Daevryn, 14-Jun-12 06:58 PM, #48
     Reply Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awful po..., Quixotic, 14-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #50
     Reply Lesser Troll. n/t, Alston, 14-Jun-12 07:35 PM, #51
     Reply Per Ray, he is stoned out of his gourd. I advocate clea..., Quixotic, 14-Jun-12 09:01 PM, #54
          Reply Here is my line of thinking, Iklahn (Anonymous), 15-Jun-12 05:15 AM, #55
               Reply Sure, Quixotic, 15-Jun-12 06:23 AM, #56
                    Reply Just like people are telling me that a ranger needs to ..., Alston, 15-Jun-12 08:38 AM, #57
                    Reply RE:adaptation, Quixotic, 15-Jun-12 10:48 AM, #58
                         Reply Not all ranger can do the things you sited. Most can't ..., Alston, 16-Jun-12 09:14 AM, #63
                              Reply RE: Not all ranger can do the things you sited. Most ca..., Daevryn, 16-Jun-12 09:57 AM, #64
                                   Reply I'm just pointing out that not all rangers have the ski..., Alston, 16-Jun-12 03:52 PM, #67
                                        Reply RE: I'm just pointing out that not all rangers have the..., Daevryn, 16-Jun-12 07:38 PM, #68
                                             Reply What I am pointing out is that MotP cancels out the ran..., Alston, 16-Jun-12 09:15 PM, #69
                    Reply Its not that cut and dry, Iklahn (Anonymous), 15-Jun-12 04:42 PM, #59
                         Reply As a nexus ranger going against battle, you have it the..., Quixotic, 15-Jun-12 09:59 PM, #61
     Reply RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu..., Daevryn, 15-Jun-12 09:43 PM, #60
          Reply RE: logic, Quixotic, 15-Jun-12 10:04 PM, #62
          Reply RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu..., Marcus_, 16-Jun-12 10:00 AM, #65
               Reply RE: Dude, the assassin died. Was the Mark that god-awfu..., Daevryn, 16-Jun-12 10:23 AM, #66
               Reply Assassin Magic, Tsunami, 17-Jun-12 12:30 PM, #70
     Reply What about ambush if the assassin is blinded? , Alston, 14-Jun-12 08:14 PM, #52
     Reply Thank you kindly good sir. NT, Iklahn (Anonymous), 14-Jun-12 08:41 PM, #53
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Reply I do see it. And I think it's over powered for an alrea..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 02:37 PM, #17
     Reply Shamans, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 02:40 PM, #18
     Reply I don't fight shamans with any character. :) Run away! ..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 02:44 PM, #20
          Reply Yeah, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 02:51 PM, #24
     Reply Seriously?, Homard, 14-Jun-12 02:49 PM, #21
     Reply I assume every assassin I fail to dirt kick has marked ..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 03:28 PM, #27
          Reply Don't dirt kick., Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 03:34 PM, #28
          Reply Yes dirt kick., Alston, 14-Jun-12 03:57 PM, #30
               Reply Well, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 04:37 PM, #33
                    Reply Return to what?, Alston, 14-Jun-12 04:48 PM, #36
                         Reply After, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 05:10 PM, #40
                              Reply I'll give you time to think about this. :) n/t, Alston, 14-Jun-12 05:19 PM, #42
                                   Reply Ah, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 05:25 PM, #43
          Reply You assume a lot., Homard, 14-Jun-12 04:16 PM, #32
               Reply Gee I wonder why?, Alston, 14-Jun-12 04:39 PM, #34
                    Reply Again, you assume., Homard, 14-Jun-12 04:44 PM, #35
                         Reply I never said it's an I win. I said it's an I quit. Also, Alston, 14-Jun-12 04:56 PM, #38
                              Reply Incorrect., Homard, 14-Jun-12 05:13 PM, #41
     Reply Here I think is the disconnect:, Daevryn, 14-Jun-12 04:03 PM, #31
     Reply Hold that thought. I want to find something for you. b..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 04:50 PM, #37
          Reply Well I can't remember the character, but Ambush is not ..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 05:00 PM, #39
               Reply RE: Well I can't remember the character, but Ambush is ..., Daevryn, 14-Jun-12 05:55 PM, #45
     Reply Having played a few rangers..., Balta, 14-Jun-12 05:47 PM, #44
Reply RE: (EDITED) Re: Mark of the Prey. Could we discuss cha..., Malakhi, 14-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #1
     Reply To your points., Alston, 14-Jun-12 11:36 AM #2
          Reply If the assassin had no chance ..., Malakhi, 14-Jun-12 11:58 AM, #3
               Reply My suggestions do not give an assassin no chance., Alston, 14-Jun-12 12:29 PM, #4
                    Reply Average players, Tac, 14-Jun-12 01:18 PM, #5
                    Reply You troll., Alston, 14-Jun-12 01:27 PM, #6
                         Reply You lost to an assassin in the woods with your ranger....., Tac, 14-Jun-12 01:51 PM, #9
                              Reply RE: You lost to an assassin in the woods with your rang..., Malakhi, 14-Jun-12 01:59 PM, #11
                              Reply Talking rangers is fun...., Tac, 14-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #12
                              Reply Thank you for pointing out the weakness of rangers make..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 02:23 PM, #14
                              Reply I think the solution is to play evil , Malakhi, 14-Jun-12 02:51 PM, #23
                              Reply Two things. Look at the PBFs Ranger's vs Assassins and...., Alston, 14-Jun-12 02:24 PM, #15
                                   Reply PK Stats, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 02:36 PM, #16
                                        Reply So what you are saying is Assassins come out on top and..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 02:43 PM, #19
                                             Reply No..., Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 02:50 PM, #22
                                                  Reply I'm not sure how you are doing it but see what the numb..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 03:04 PM, #25
                                                       Reply Sure, Tsunami, 14-Jun-12 03:25 PM, #26
                                                            Reply I'm was hoping for over all, but thanks and..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 03:35 PM, #29
                              Reply You don't get it. You didn't read what I wrote., Alston, 14-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #13
                    Reply And what advice ..., Malakhi, 14-Jun-12 01:36 PM, #7
                         Reply Assassins are at the very least equal to any ranger in ..., Alston, 14-Jun-12 01:50 PM, #8
                         Reply After you deleted an animist that had third attack..., TMNS, 14-Jun-12 06:57 PM, #47
                              Reply Animists need the option to go evil :) n/t, Malakhi, 14-Jun-12 07:27 PM, #49
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