And yes, there is plenty of other ways to get disarmed at 36, even for a single round, but when you get fumbled and locked for the duration where they can sac it and you're still frozen....that kinda freebie does not belong on a class that already had *plenty* of utility. I've been on the receiving end where a druid just spams it and it's really a pain in the ass to deal with. Any kind of server lag and you'll be hard pressed to put in the right amount of commands that won't get eaten by the freeze or get yourself spammed or cost you your weapon.

I did a *lot* of anti-paladin versus druid fights - I even stripped down my metal and wore a non-metal weapon (now people realize why I like the shillegah) but gimping myself that much to even have a shot is ridiculous - especially considering they have their pets and whole other set of abilities that'll still beat your face in. Doesn't it feint also?

In just itself, telluric surge isn't that bad - it's an extremely strong commune but I can handle that...if they had nothing else. Given what the class already had, and adding in edges to even make it worse (thought edges were supposed to help the crappy/unused skills?), who thought "yeah, druids are lacking...let's give them this!" Seriously, what kind of discussion merited giving them that strong of a commune - especially at low level.

Had they never played the druid class? Any solid player who stands behind one usually destroys with them. The same can't be said of paladins, especially the new ones.