Zulghinlour | Sat 15-Aug-09 01:29 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#26396, "RE: Secrecy"
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>I think you over-estimate the power (and misjudge the >motivations) of the current OOC knowledge market. I can think >of one major "secret"-type thing (like Shadow) still in the >game that still seems to be a pretty well-kept secret.
If it's what I think it is...Meh, it's still a secret of sorts, but it's not really anything I'd care about if I knew anyway, unlike the Shadow cabal.
>Personally, I hate the fact that OOC information sharing is so >stigmatized. I feel like the underlying assumption you're >making when you say things like "today's CF" is that most OOC >circles are bad eggs trying to undermine the game, and this >simply doesn't jive with my experience. We as human beings are >social animals. We enjoy the game more when we are sharing it >with our friends. And while it's true I don't have an >administrator's perspective on this, my experience is that the >vast majority of the other players I talk to outside of the >game aren't interested in power-combos and perma-gangs. >They're looking for role advice, or stats on certain items, >regear advice, or just someone to share their triumphs and >failures with.
I have no problem with people sharing the game with their friends (the bolded section above), where I see things go awry is when you're sharing the game with your friends outside of the game. That's not actually sharing, that's just dumping information on them. It is why I think some place like Silent Tower won't survive the way the author originally envisioned it.
>Long story short, I think you need (and the staff in general >needs) to reconsider what you think "today's CFer" enjoys and >wants out of the game before you make these kinds of >decisions.
I think you need to understand what we enjoy and want out of the game as well. I brought this up a bit with my J.J. Abrahms post. Part of the fun I get from building up areas/quests is seeing people get through them on their own. Follow the clues, kill the baddie, get the loot. When that boils down to a text document on www.gamefaqs.com I lose motivation.
One of the best times I had was running a group of folks through Trothon the first time. I had no idea how the transitions worked, what I was up against, and when I got through it there was a sense of accomplishment. The reason I haven't written an area in a very long time is because it won't be what I want it to be. I strive to build in that sense of accomplishment. I do think the Dragon Lair's do that well (there are tricks you'll figure out to build a group, and how to take on the dragons). You don't need a huge time investment (an hour maybe, instead of 5-10 in Hell), and even if you know everything there is to know going into the fight...it's still going to be a challenge. I fall back to Xoltrindar all the time as one of the more interesting AI projects I did for a mob. I know EXACTLY how he works, I wrote the entire prog, and I STILL die to the bastard (partly because of some of the randomness I threw into the AI). So long, and thanks for all the fish!
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Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe
[View all] , Daevryn, Sat 15-Aug-09 01:42 AM
My Thoughts,
Dragomir,
23-Aug-09 07:46 PM, #90
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Exit,
21-Aug-09 09:19 PM, #89
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Tyrjal,
21-Aug-09 02:34 AM, #86
Sadly, the playerbase being what it is, this would like...,
Theerkla,
21-Aug-09 05:27 AM, #87
Oh and..,
Cerunnir,
21-Aug-09 03:49 PM, #88
My take on silent tower.,
Kadsuane,
20-Aug-09 11:09 AM, #84
RE: My take on silent tower.,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-09 11:16 AM, #85
Another possible solution,
incognito,
19-Aug-09 05:11 PM, #83
Make the rewards rot on leaving the tower maybe?,
muchos2,
19-Aug-09 12:06 PM, #81
I like this idea.,
Quixotic,
19-Aug-09 01:47 PM, #82
Modern times,
Valkenar,
18-Aug-09 09:07 AM, #80
Thing is,
incognito,
18-Aug-09 02:42 AM, #79
On time-intensiveness,
DurNominator,
18-Aug-09 12:21 AM, #78
The puzzles are what made it,
Grudan,
17-Aug-09 11:00 AM, #77
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Xanthrailles,
16-Aug-09 01:58 PM, #73
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Eskelian,
16-Aug-09 01:57 PM, #72
Crackball thought.,
Quixotic,
16-Aug-09 01:54 PM, #71
Throwdown vs riddle,
laxman,
16-Aug-09 08:35 AM, #63
RE: Throwdown vs riddle,
Daevryn,
16-Aug-09 10:04 AM, #65
This sums up the problem with brute force to me,
incognito,
16-Aug-09 12:58 PM, #69
Seriously- Brits don't perma nt,
Abernyte,
16-Aug-09 05:09 PM, #74
RE: Seriously- Brits don't perma nt,
incognito,
17-Aug-09 02:44 AM, #75
people don't post cheats to help,
bobbyp,
16-Aug-09 08:00 AM, #62
For solo, think less puzzle and more complex, intriguin...,
Boon,
15-Aug-09 06:25 PM, #55
my opinion,
Jhyrbian,
15-Aug-09 06:09 PM, #54
RE: my opinion,
A2,
15-Aug-09 09:40 PM, #56
Very good point,
Mekantos,
16-Aug-09 01:09 AM, #58
RE: Very good point,
Daevryn,
16-Aug-09 01:21 AM, #59
did anyone ever figure out how to talk? nt,
Jhyrbian,
16-Aug-09 06:31 AM, #61
Yep.,
Daevryn,
16-Aug-09 10:01 AM, #64
Btw,
Mekantos,
16-Aug-09 12:56 PM, #68
RE: Btw,
Daevryn,
16-Aug-09 01:02 PM, #70
Both Sides of the Coin,
Straklaw,
15-Aug-09 05:12 PM, #52
RE: Both Sides of the Coin,
Daevryn,
15-Aug-09 05:26 PM, #53
RE: Both Sides of the Coin,
Aodh,
16-Aug-09 04:15 AM, #60
Personally I'd like to see,
Lokain,
15-Aug-09 05:08 PM, #51
I think Lokain's idea has merit.,
GinGa,
16-Aug-09 11:43 AM, #66
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Isildur,
15-Aug-09 03:42 PM, #47
Quick fix,
Mekantos,
15-Aug-09 03:11 PM, #46
That would actually just make it worse,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 04:49 PM, #50
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
trewyn,
15-Aug-09 02:43 PM, #44
Two points,
The Heretic,
15-Aug-09 01:42 PM, #38
Idea with this issue:,
GinGa,
16-Aug-09 11:49 AM, #67
That is the worst example you could have picked,
incognito,
17-Aug-09 03:10 AM, #76
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
xander,
15-Aug-09 01:05 PM, #36
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
asylumius,
15-Aug-09 12:25 PM, #33
Long time on-and-offer's thoughts,
RandomThinker,
15-Aug-09 11:49 AM, #24
Thumbs down, imo,
Mort,
15-Aug-09 11:20 AM, #21
An old-timer's viewpoint,
HunterElf,
15-Aug-09 11:21 AM, #20
The biggest thing I think that hurts solo-exploration,
_Magus_,
15-Aug-09 11:41 AM, #23
You are just exploring with the wrong class,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 11:57 AM, #27
The problem with that is...,
_Magus_,
15-Aug-09 12:09 PM, #29
RE: The problem with that is...,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 12:18 PM, #31
Not to get off on a tangent...,
_Magus_,
15-Aug-09 02:29 PM, #42
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
ORB,
15-Aug-09 10:42 AM, #16
Not a bad idea really! IMM-quest to be able to enter th...,
Amberion,
15-Aug-09 11:38 AM, #22
I don't like Imm quest idea...,
ORB,
15-Aug-09 12:42 PM, #35
I don't like it either...,
Zulghinlour,
15-Aug-09 03:04 PM, #45
RE: Secrecy,
Splntrd,
15-Aug-09 10:42 AM, #15
Good post n/t,
Lokain,
15-Aug-09 12:27 PM, #34
RE: Secrecy,
Zulghinlour,
15-Aug-09 01:29 PM #37
Precisely...,
asylumius,
15-Aug-09 02:12 PM, #40
I'm dying with curiosity now nt,
Lokain,
15-Aug-09 02:43 PM, #43
I totally agree with you on almost everything...,
TMNS,
15-Aug-09 02:26 PM, #41
RE: Secrecy,
asylumius,
15-Aug-09 02:08 PM, #39
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Rade,
15-Aug-09 10:37 AM, #14
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Daevryn,
15-Aug-09 10:51 AM, #17
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Splntrd,
15-Aug-09 11:02 AM, #19
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Daevryn,
15-Aug-09 04:13 PM, #49
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 11:56 AM, #26
Nah.,
Splntrd,
15-Aug-09 12:08 PM, #28
RE: Nah.,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 12:16 PM, #30
Oh, I see what you're getting at. nt,
Splntrd,
15-Aug-09 12:19 PM, #32
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Daevryn,
15-Aug-09 04:04 PM, #48
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
Rade,
15-Aug-09 11:55 PM, #57
Meh.,
Iunna,
15-Aug-09 08:44 AM, #12
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
_Magus_,
15-Aug-09 08:22 AM, #11
Does that add anything to the game?,
Stunna,
15-Aug-09 07:02 AM, #10
I prefer the puzzle type area,
incognito,
15-Aug-09 06:44 AM, #9
Why that won't work,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 11:53 AM, #25
I almost got into ST...,
Aodh,
15-Aug-09 05:57 AM, #7
Why I'm against groups,
vargal,
15-Aug-09 06:06 AM, #8
RE: I almost got into ST...,
Cerunnir,
15-Aug-09 10:25 AM, #13
Think you know my idea on this...,
Torak,
15-Aug-09 04:34 AM, #6
I really like the idea here!,
Amberion,
15-Aug-09 10:56 AM, #18
My thoughts on this, fwiw,
Mekantos,
15-Aug-09 04:27 AM, #5
No matter what it needs to come back.,
Guilo,
15-Aug-09 03:30 AM, #4
RE: Silent Tower Rethought.... maybe,
vargal,
15-Aug-09 02:32 AM, #3
I wouldn't be against a Silent Reimagining.,
TMNS,
15-Aug-09 02:20 AM, #1
RE: I wouldn't be against a Silent Reimagining.,
Nightgaunt_,
15-Aug-09 02:31 AM, #2
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