Not that I disagree with limiting them in outlanders, but I can't really agree with the reasoning. Hide might be civilized oriented for a city thief, but I could make an argument for any of them just being a highwayman, which I would hardly consider civilized as applies to the definition in use by outlanders now. On the other hand, I could easily make an argument for any class except ranger or druids, maybe healers and druids too, being somewhat civilized-orientated in some skills. You don't learn advanced swordplay from the guy hiding out behind a tree. The shared ones I'd say are even worse. Haggling? Definitely civilized. Pen? Hell yeah. Even bartering in itself is, it was just a precursor to monetary systems. Hell, outlander itself seems to have at least some civilization however it's glossed over. It is a group, not an animal pack whatever the RP put to it by some, with actual leadership rather than an alpha leader. They have advanced learning. A specific base of operations even. Now they might be naturalists, I could buy that. That doesn't have anything to do with civilization though, only certain trapping associated with it, not dependant upon it. I think outlander works better when you think in broad strokes rather than looking too closely at specifics, like a skill being too civilized. Again, not that I disagree with limiting hide, I think that might be a slight balancing issue. It's just the reason presented I don't find all that kosher. Better to say they spend so much time learning to cover themselves with leaves they don't have the focus for shadows anymore. Or the ancients just downright don't approve of hiding behind a building or signpost. Anywho.

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