lasentia | Mon 01-Dec-14 02:59 PM |
Member since 27th Apr 2010
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#57206, "Players are funny."
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It was not long ago players bitched about the monotony of having to farm obs/explore xp to get the edges they want to compete with people, because if everyone else is farming that then the other players felt they had to as well just to keep up and stay competitive.
So the Imms finally say they will reduce the impact of farming obs/exp xp on edges, and yet, players still bitch, when really this is exactly what they were asking for not long ago. Now those who farm, (and lets be honest, at this point obs exploration xp is nothing but farming for 90% of people who still play CF since they have seen all these areas countless times) get less, so maybe people won't be as obsessed with doing it for the sake of edges. But no, instead of realizing all players will have less edges in general and maybe have to be more selective in which they choose, they rally against that which they clamored for probably less than a year ago.
This is an application across the board. It's not, as I see it, an attempt to annoy players. It's an attempt to eliminate the grind of maxing experience for the sake of those things that so many CFers compulsively seek (edges) in the name of maximizing their character.
Do you still need 10 edges to compete if all your competition now only has half as many as well?
And Pk edge points are unchanged, and they are emphasizing immortal xp. Those are really the two focal points of playing CF, role playing and PK. Shouldn't they be the most heavily rewarded aspects then?
Yes, this system focusing less on things players can do solo (obs/exp/role writing) has obvious potential for imm favoritism. Maybe it's driven to get more people interacting though, instead of going through the motions in the most bare sense between the ever increasingly rare PK attempts. The old system was just as prone to abuse though, Imms could always abuse their place for their favorites. That's not a change at all.
The Role xp cap, countless people bitch about role xp, so the Imms nerf it some, and then, yes, more player bitching because that was their only avenue of Imm xp. Roles shouldn't be Imm xp, because they require zero RP to create. The best laid role is crap if you completely ignore it through your IC actions. (Areas/quests should never require Imm xp though, on that I agree with everyone else)
This system can be for the better of CF as a whole, but only if the Imms make it so for the players.
If the Imms are planning on being far more immersed in CF as interactive gods and not as neutral moderators and administrators, and being far better about rewarding instances of RP in small amounts but far more often (who doesn't love getting an imm xp randomly after a session, it's encouraging even if it is 50 xp or something), I'm all in favor of this. If it's business as usual on their side, then, yes, this is ultimately a bad change because it takes away one avenue with out putting another in place.
I'm hoping they embrace the role they are creating for themselves, that they don't only look for their followers/their cabal/PKers for instances to immerse and interact.
I say, as players, we have to give them the chance. They can always change it later, but honestly, has business as usual been working for CF lately? I'd argue the player counts speak for themselves.
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role/imm xp
[View all] , ibuki, Tue 02-Dec-14 08:02 PM
Comments,
Umiron,
02-Dec-14 06:59 PM, #66
Thanks for your time on this and the insight behind the...,
polmier,
02-Dec-14 11:27 PM, #74
Thanks for the clarifying post,
lasentia,
03-Dec-14 10:48 AM, #78
I may get lynched, but since Imm exp will be more impor...,
Quixotic,
03-Jan-15 01:23 PM, #80
No. (nt),
Umiron,
03-Jan-15 01:38 PM, #81
did you get my Christmas card big guy? ;-),
Quixotic,
03-Jan-15 03:28 PM, #82
All you had to do was say you had a system in place,
Quixotic,
03-Jan-15 04:48 PM, #83
RE: All you had to do was say you had a system in place,
Straklaw,
03-Jan-15 09:34 PM, #84
Because we love you, Quix:,
Rayihn,
04-Jan-15 07:22 PM, #85
A few points.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 01:43 PM, #49
Great post, but I have some followup commentary.,
Sarien,
02-Dec-14 02:19 PM, #50
RE: Great post, but I have some followup commentary.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 07:24 PM, #68
RE: A few points.,
N b M,
02-Dec-14 02:34 PM, #52
Yeah, basically this.,
Calion,
02-Dec-14 03:20 PM, #57
RE: A few points.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 07:39 PM, #69
By the way..,
Mendos,
03-Dec-14 03:43 AM, #75
Speaking as someone who'd maintained a MUD,
Murphy,
02-Dec-14 03:05 PM, #55
RE: Speaking as someone who'd maintained a MUD,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 07:44 PM, #67
I KNOW you're not trying to be bad guys.,
Murphy,
03-Dec-14 06:07 AM, #76
It hasn't been ignored.,
Mendos,
03-Dec-14 10:13 AM, #77
Wholesale speculation...,
Tac,
02-Dec-14 04:25 PM, #58
RE: Wholesale speculation...,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 07:46 PM, #65
RE: A few points.,
Bemused,
02-Dec-14 04:46 PM, #59
RE: A few points.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 06:43 PM, #63
Excellent Points,
polmier,
02-Dec-14 06:09 PM, #60
Eh I mean.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 06:23 PM, #62
Shifter question,
Pendragon_Surtr,
02-Dec-14 04:35 PM, #70
Check Santa Umi.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 06:47 PM, #64
Thanks Mendos,
Pendragon_Surtr,
02-Dec-14 08:02 PM, #71
No problem.,
Mendos,
02-Dec-14 08:05 PM, #72
Feedback,
Tsunami,
02-Dec-14 09:45 AM, #44
I can't decide whether to quit or,
Pendragon_Surtr,
01-Dec-14 07:24 PM, #28
Tears are falling fast,
Artificial,
02-Dec-14 09:24 AM, #42
If you're in a cabal and someone bothers to take your i...,
Murphy,
02-Dec-14 09:33 AM, #43
hah, 90 hours played....,
Sarien,
02-Dec-14 09:52 AM, #46
Maybe don't play on the winning team. nt,
Artificial,
02-Dec-14 09:58 AM, #47
As if!,
Sarien,
02-Dec-14 02:21 PM, #51
If you really wanted an internet,
Artificial,
02-Dec-14 02:45 PM, #53
I probably just lost an internet...,
Sarien,
02-Dec-14 03:00 PM, #54
Its somewhere in here. Can't hear sound at work.,
Artificial,
02-Dec-14 03:17 PM, #56
Here it is.,
Artificial,
02-Dec-14 09:50 PM, #73
This depends on luck,
Murphy,
02-Dec-14 10:00 AM, #48
i don't understand the general tone of changes lately.,
Athioles,
01-Dec-14 07:04 PM, #26
Few things,
incognito,
02-Dec-14 07:59 AM, #38
Players are funny.,
lasentia,
01-Dec-14 02:59 PM #19
actually it empowers PK oriented players,
laxman,
01-Dec-14 03:16 PM, #20
RE: Players are funny.,
Elerosse,
01-Dec-14 03:39 PM, #21
Some counters, just to consider.,
lasentia,
01-Dec-14 04:20 PM, #22
Counter counters?,
Tac,
01-Dec-14 04:49 PM, #23
Those who bitched,
Murphy,
01-Dec-14 05:14 PM, #24
Re: Imm Favoratism,
Nythos (Anonymous),
01-Dec-14 06:50 PM, #25
I like this change,
Treebeard,
01-Dec-14 11:30 AM, #14
I too would love the 1 per every 10 levels method, with...,
Sarien,
01-Dec-14 11:40 AM, #16
I see what you're saying, and I think it comes down to ...,
Treebeard,
01-Dec-14 11:50 AM, #17
I like getting my edges via PK personally,
Sarien,
01-Dec-14 12:29 PM, #18
I almost always agree with the Imms but even I do not u...,
polmier,
01-Dec-14 11:21 AM, #13
umm,
incognito,
01-Dec-14 11:15 AM, #12
I do not like this change. Nor do I understand the des...,
Tac,
01-Dec-14 10:56 AM, #9
RE: role/imm xp,
Bemused,
01-Dec-14 08:49 AM, #6
Are the caps for observation, exploration, and commerce...,
Elerosse,
01-Dec-14 07:49 AM, #3
The caps are the same.,
Umiron,
01-Dec-14 08:19 AM, #4
RE: The caps are the same.,
Elerosse,
01-Dec-14 10:35 AM, #8
Re: Imm XP Requirements,
Umiron,
01-Dec-14 07:40 AM, #2
Please explain the 'good' reason behind these requireme...,
Sarien,
01-Dec-14 08:26 AM, #5
It basically just makes the game more grind and less fu...,
Lhydia,
01-Dec-14 09:42 AM, #7
This..,
Elerosse,
01-Dec-14 10:59 AM, #10
RE: This..,
Hutto,
01-Dec-14 11:39 AM, #15
I didn't even think of commerce xp.,
Athioles,
01-Dec-14 07:19 PM, #27
Stop trying to game the system,
incognito,
02-Dec-14 08:04 AM, #39
RE: It basically just makes the game more grind and les...,
Akresius,
01-Dec-14 08:12 PM, #29
Sweet. Thanks. n/t,
Lhydia,
01-Dec-14 08:21 PM, #30
I'd be pretty OK with this change if there were now oth...,
TJHuron,
01-Dec-14 08:34 PM, #31
RE: I'd be pretty OK with this change if there were now...,
Akresius,
01-Dec-14 09:01 PM, #32
Are you comfortable with the idea that it,
Murphy,
02-Dec-14 05:38 AM, #33
RE: Are you comfortable with the idea that it,
Destuvius,
02-Dec-14 06:15 AM, #
There is a bigger..unmentioned issue underlying this al...,
Sarien,
02-Dec-14 07:53 AM, #36
Counterpoints,
incognito,
02-Dec-14 08:10 AM, #41
Invalid,
Tsunami,
02-Dec-14 09:51 AM, #45
Good points. nt,
polmier,
02-Dec-14 06:11 PM, #61
RE: Are you comfortable with the idea that it,
Destuvius,
02-Dec-14 06:15 AM, #34
I guess I play those builds that rely on edges to work ...,
Murphy,
02-Dec-14 06:51 AM, #35
I agree 100% dude.,
Sarien,
02-Dec-14 07:59 AM, #37
Beware imm exp farming,
incognito,
02-Dec-14 08:07 AM, #40
I quadrupled my xpadds in December.,
Akresius,
01-Jan-15 11:20 AM, #79
Not a good change.,
xrus,
01-Dec-14 11:12 AM, #11
Also emote for familiars and emote in form. n/t,
Shifter/Conjie (Anonymous),
01-Dec-14 07:00 AM, #1
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