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#51934, "Request/Suggestion to go with Spear/Staff spec discussions below"
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Daev, I see that you like the spear-staff specs as they are, while several players think the spec skills are a bit "bleh" as one person put it. Nearly every single spear-staff spec skill was mentioned in this thread, and that shouldn't be dismissed. If you are willing to listen and consider, I think a few small tweaks might make the spec more viable.
As it is, the only directable, opening skills are legsweep and impale (including the thrust, pierce and pugil). Legsweep is useless against flying opponents which severely limits it's use, so that pretty much leaves you with impale being your only spec based opening, directable move.
I suggest that you make misdirect and leverage an opening, directable move (if not both than one I suppose would work) and maybe make crescent directable if you are feeling generous. I think this would expand on the usefulness of some of these skills without changing the guts of the spec too much or making it too OP. I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
On a side note, what is the success of misdirect based off of? I would have thought it would be either skill or dex based but now I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't strength based because it fails quite a bit for me at mastery. That wouldn't make the most sense to me if it was strength based since most spear/staff specs are going to be high dex characters. And if I'm a high strength staff/spear spec I would think leverage with the edges for a lagging move might be the better way to go?
Hopefully I've made a strong enough argument to get you to consider this!
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Unwanted Skills/Spells
[View all] , Daevryn, Sun 15-Sep-13 07:59 PM
Request/Suggestion to go with Spear/Staff spec discussi...,
Arfan (Anonymous),
03-Oct-13 11:22 AM #133
Trapper sleep traps?,
Anti-Hero,
23-Sep-13 10:14 AM, #130
A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. Marin...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:17 PM, #127
RE: A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. M...,
Eskelian,
23-Sep-13 12:33 AM, #129
Evasion,
Calion,
21-Sep-13 12:42 PM, #112
I use feint all the time,
Theerkla,
21-Sep-13 01:54 PM, #115
RE: Evasion,
Daevryn,
22-Sep-13 02:25 PM, #123
No mention of headbutt?,
Eskelian,
21-Sep-13 08:52 AM, #108
I've always assumed this skill is better than it appear...,
Tac,
21-Sep-13 11:17 AM, #110
Think Lag for Warpriests, Druids, Healers, Shielded Inv...,
Frequentplayer,
21-Sep-13 11:51 AM, #111
Are you seriously suggesting this to me? nt,
Tac,
21-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #113
How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't und...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 12:08 PM, #117
You call that berserk?,
Tsunami,
22-Sep-13 01:29 PM, #119
I call it pointless.,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 02:02 PM, #120
So is your post.,
Tsunami,
22-Sep-13 02:07 PM, #121
So is your post x 2 +1. n/t,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:13 PM, #125
Dang. My math says that is 3. That is more. n/t,
Lhydia,
22-Sep-13 04:16 PM, #126
RE: How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't...,
Daevryn,
22-Sep-13 02:11 PM, #122
Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for headbut...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:09 PM, #124
RE: Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for hea...,
Eskelian,
23-Sep-13 12:30 AM, #128
I've gotten kills from headbutt, personally.,
Straklaw,
21-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #114
suggested FIX for headbutt::,
Sarien,
24-Sep-13 08:10 AM, #131
I don't disagree with you...,
Tac,
24-Sep-13 09:06 AM, #132
Plainsrunning nt,
Tsunami,
20-Sep-13 11:41 AM, #104
Ideas I have for it.,
Frequentplayer,
20-Sep-13 12:10 PM, #105
i have a better idea,
Dallevian,
20-Sep-13 01:56 PM, #107
No. My ideas were better and I proved it.,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 12:09 PM, #118
I'm not sure why someone would say beastmaster tame suc...,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #99
Exotics,
Scrimbul,
18-Sep-13 02:18 PM, #90
How about unwanted preps?,
Moligant,
17-Sep-13 03:55 PM, #77
Level based,
Tsunami,
17-Sep-13 04:10 PM, #78
RE: Level based,
Kalageadon,
18-Sep-13 06:09 AM, #84
Would love to see a diff thread.,
Eskelian,
17-Sep-13 02:23 PM, #76
Most partial shifts,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:26 AM, #73
Sort of retracting my posts.,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:30 AM, #74
RE: Most partial shifts,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:32 PM, #80
Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifted fo...,
Mek,
17-Sep-13 06:33 PM, #82
RE: Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifte...,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 06:58 PM, #83
RE: Most partial shifts,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #92
You do?,
Tsunami,
18-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #94
RE: You do?,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
19-Sep-13 09:00 AM, #97
I do,
Valkenar,
19-Sep-13 01:18 PM, #98
Aye,
Tsunami,
19-Sep-13 03:53 PM, #102
11-15,
KaguMaru,
19-Sep-13 05:16 PM, #103
Esoteric armor use,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:21 AM, #71
RE: Esoteric armor use,
Eskelian,
17-Sep-13 12:55 PM, #75
RE: Esoteric armor use,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:34 PM, #81
Mystical armor use,
Artificial,
19-Sep-13 12:14 AM, #96
Random thought on detections,
Torak,
16-Sep-13 03:47 PM, #45
RE: Random thought on detections,
Straklaw,
16-Sep-13 06:27 PM, #58
Hm, maybe I'm underestimating them?,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-13 05:53 PM, #91
I don't think it has any affect on AC,
Tac,
18-Sep-13 07:11 PM, #93
Except gates.,
Tsunami,
18-Sep-13 09:26 PM, #95
RE: I don't think it has any affect on AC,
Eskelian,
22-Sep-13 04:24 AM, #116
A couple,
Moligant,
16-Sep-13 03:03 PM, #44
RE: A couple,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #57
RE: A couple,
Kalageadon,
18-Sep-13 09:12 AM, #88
beastmaster tame,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:28 AM, #28
You can tame the snow leopard from frigid wasteland,
DurNominator,
16-Sep-13 01:01 PM, #38
Even that sucks at hero,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 01:11 PM, #39
nah, it's nothing. nt,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 01:40 PM, #41
There are a couple mobs...,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 02:55 PM, #43
RE: beastmaster tame,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:06 PM, #56
Projection,
Scrimbul,
16-Sep-13 08:57 AM, #24
It is useful,
Cenatar_,
16-Sep-13 11:12 AM, #30
It takes you off the who list,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 12:17 PM, #33
It is very useful imho,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #34
uhh?,
CD,
16-Sep-13 12:29 PM, #35
That doesn't work anymore,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 12:33 PM, #37
You kinda show a lack of depth yourself.,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #100
RE: Projection,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:04 PM, #55
Conjure WIll-o-wisp,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 06:49 AM, #21
RE: Conjure WIll-o-wisp,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:03 PM, #54
I always assumed the point was to use it on servitors,
Tac,
16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #61
I'll agree with this one,
Scarabaeus,
16-Sep-13 09:24 PM, #65
Funny Will-O story,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 09:49 PM, #66
Antipaladin shield cleave,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 04:49 AM, #17
As resident AP enthuisiast,
Torak,
16-Sep-13 11:01 AM, #29
Pierce/thrust/slice,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 11:23 AM, #31
There is more,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 12:30 PM, #36
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
Vilhazarog,
16-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #40
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
KaguMaru,
17-Sep-13 12:18 AM, #67
Hit roll?,
incognito,
17-Sep-13 06:56 AM, #68
Same experience as a ranger a few months ago,
Calion,
17-Sep-13 07:20 AM, #69
RE: Same experience as a ranger a few months ago,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:48 PM, #70
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:02 PM, #53
AoD does some resist positive, right?,
Tac,
16-Sep-13 08:07 PM, #64
RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells,
Lhydia,
16-Sep-13 04:40 AM, #16
Partial shifts..,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 04:54 AM, #18
RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:55 PM, #52
Hahaha. Oh. Still pretty useless then. =P n/t,
Lhydia,
16-Sep-13 07:54 PM, #60
Long list of EVERY skill I could think of.,
Straklaw,
15-Sep-13 11:52 PM, #12
I'll chime in on the thief part, mkay?,
Murphy,
16-Sep-13 01:43 AM, #15
Thoughts ,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 06:58 AM, #22
plainsrunning and bramblepit yes. AND,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #26
Armorers spell can be very useful indeed,
incognito,
18-Sep-13 07:17 AM, #85
Overhead, legsweep and misdirect.,
Zephon,
15-Sep-13 10:38 PM, #7
RE: Overhead, legsweep and misdirect.,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 10:55 PM, #8
Ideas,
Zephon,
15-Sep-13 11:21 PM, #10
RE: misdirect.,
Straklaw,
16-Sep-13 12:04 AM, #13
Overhead works underwater,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 07:01 AM, #23
Staff vs spear,
vargal,
16-Sep-13 01:52 PM, #42
Staff is nice,
incognito,
18-Sep-13 07:19 AM, #86
RE: Staff is nice,
lasentia,
18-Sep-13 08:06 AM, #87
The strengths of the niche aren't lost on me.,
vargal,
18-Sep-13 12:45 PM, #89
Smear Mud,
Perennial Ranger (Anonymous),
15-Sep-13 10:19 PM, #6
RE: Smear Mud,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 10:56 PM, #9
So what you're saying is...,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 11:29 PM, #11
Smear mud has an echo when it works NT,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 05:10 AM, #19
RE: Smear mud has an echo when it works NT,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:49 PM, #51
Smearmud on the wrists works well against kotegaeshi,
Theerkla,
16-Sep-13 06:39 AM, #20
Crescent,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 09:31 PM, #3
crescent AND leverage kick,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:25 AM, #25
Seconded on Crescent and Leverage Kick. (n/t),
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #27
Leverage kick,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 11:25 AM, #32
Agreed on leverage kick,
Calion,
20-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #106
Small additional note,
Calion,
21-Sep-13 09:18 AM, #109
RE: Crescent,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:47 PM, #50
Fair enough.,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 08:05 PM, #63
RE: Crescent,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
17-Sep-13 11:22 AM, #72
RE: Crescent,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:27 PM, #79
Whispering Wind and Siltscreen,
Homard,
15-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #2
+1 whispering wind,
highbutterfly,
16-Sep-13 04:37 PM, #46
RE: Whispering Wind and Siltscreen,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:46 PM, #49
I loved using WW,
TMNS,
16-Sep-13 06:54 PM, #59
Whispering wind can be used to communicate in the dream...,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #101
Panhandle and fence.,
Murphy,
15-Sep-13 08:55 PM, #1
RE: Panhandle and fence.,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 09:32 PM, #4
RE: Panhandle and fence.,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 09:36 PM, #5
Fence is awesome,
Polmier (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 05:22 PM, #47
Awesome,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #62
Tribunal? Seriously?,
Murphy,
16-Sep-13 01:08 AM, #14
RE: Tribunal? Seriously?,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:44 PM, #48
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