Murphy | Mon 16-Sep-13 01:43 AM |
Member since 30th Dec 2010
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#51467, "I'll chime in on the thief part, mkay?"
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>Appraise - How is this significantly more useful than lore? Especially if I can get it with observation experience instead of thief points. You can't, that's for bards. It's a convenience skill, shows the exact numbers on weapons/armor and always shows the right spells on magic devices, pretty much like identify.
>Shadow Drag - Oh...shadow drag, how I hate thee. Amazing in concept. In practice, everyone just keeps trying to yell "help" or uses "vis" to negate it. You need it mastered for some edge, I think. Otherwise yeah, useless.
>Grapple - Why it over disarm? Grapple is awesome. You can pry away weapons you don't know. You don't need to blind them because the weapon goes into your wield. The success rate is much higher. Also synergizes with separate.
>Disengage vs. Shadow Disappear - Admittedly there's a huge level difference, but if I could wait to get a skill that gets me out of combat *and* instantly hides me? Deal. "You need to be able to hide" vs "you need to not tank"? Yeah, in practice shadow disappear is better, but it doesn't supercede disengage.
>Isolate vs. Separate - These are so oddly similar, yet different. Remove enemy from room, one starts combat, other doesn't. One tries to disarm if you're barehanded. Do either get used anyways? Isolate is very dangerous when combined with thief waylay. It is difficult to practice without help though.
>Discerning Gaze - Don't you not receive an echo for looking at people if the thief is not visible to the person, or sneaking? I swear I never notice thieves looking at people anyways. Agree. When people can see you, looking at them without them noticing is going to be the least of your concerns.
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Unwanted Skills/Spells
[View all] , Daevryn, Sun 15-Sep-13 07:59 PM
Request/Suggestion to go with Spear/Staff spec discussi...,
Arfan (Anonymous),
03-Oct-13 11:22 AM, #133
Trapper sleep traps?,
Anti-Hero,
23-Sep-13 10:14 AM, #130
A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. Marin...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:17 PM, #127
RE: A couple that might not seem so obvious at first. M...,
Eskelian,
23-Sep-13 12:33 AM, #129
Evasion,
Calion,
21-Sep-13 12:42 PM, #112
I use feint all the time,
Theerkla,
21-Sep-13 01:54 PM, #115
RE: Evasion,
Daevryn,
22-Sep-13 02:25 PM, #123
No mention of headbutt?,
Eskelian,
21-Sep-13 08:52 AM, #108
I've always assumed this skill is better than it appear...,
Tac,
21-Sep-13 11:17 AM, #110
Think Lag for Warpriests, Druids, Healers, Shielded Inv...,
Frequentplayer,
21-Sep-13 11:51 AM, #111
Are you seriously suggesting this to me? nt,
Tac,
21-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #113
How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't und...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 12:08 PM, #117
You call that berserk?,
Tsunami,
22-Sep-13 01:29 PM, #119
I call it pointless.,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 02:02 PM, #120
So is your post.,
Tsunami,
22-Sep-13 02:07 PM, #121
So is your post x 2 +1. n/t,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:13 PM, #125
Dang. My math says that is 3. That is more. n/t,
Lhydia,
22-Sep-13 04:16 PM, #126
RE: How about cliping this guys post? He said he didn't...,
Daevryn,
22-Sep-13 02:11 PM, #122
Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for headbut...,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 04:09 PM, #124
RE: Who just wrote they couldn't think of a use for hea...,
Eskelian,
23-Sep-13 12:30 AM, #128
I've gotten kills from headbutt, personally.,
Straklaw,
21-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #114
suggested FIX for headbutt::,
Sarien,
24-Sep-13 08:10 AM, #131
I don't disagree with you...,
Tac,
24-Sep-13 09:06 AM, #132
Plainsrunning nt,
Tsunami,
20-Sep-13 11:41 AM, #104
Ideas I have for it.,
Frequentplayer,
20-Sep-13 12:10 PM, #105
i have a better idea,
Dallevian,
20-Sep-13 01:56 PM, #107
No. My ideas were better and I proved it.,
Frequentplayer,
22-Sep-13 12:09 PM, #118
I'm not sure why someone would say beastmaster tame suc...,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:23 PM, #99
Exotics,
Scrimbul,
18-Sep-13 02:18 PM, #90
How about unwanted preps?,
Moligant,
17-Sep-13 03:55 PM, #77
Level based,
Tsunami,
17-Sep-13 04:10 PM, #78
RE: Level based,
Kalageadon,
18-Sep-13 06:09 AM, #84
Would love to see a diff thread.,
Eskelian,
17-Sep-13 02:23 PM, #76
Most partial shifts,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:26 AM, #73
Sort of retracting my posts.,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:30 AM, #74
RE: Most partial shifts,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:32 PM, #80
Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifted fo...,
Mek,
17-Sep-13 06:33 PM, #82
RE: Somehow working in their benefits to a fully-shifte...,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 06:58 PM, #83
RE: Most partial shifts,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #92
You do?,
Tsunami,
18-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #94
RE: You do?,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
19-Sep-13 09:00 AM, #97
I do,
Valkenar,
19-Sep-13 01:18 PM, #98
Aye,
Tsunami,
19-Sep-13 03:53 PM, #102
11-15,
KaguMaru,
19-Sep-13 05:16 PM, #103
Esoteric armor use,
Valkenar,
17-Sep-13 11:21 AM, #71
RE: Esoteric armor use,
Eskelian,
17-Sep-13 12:55 PM, #75
RE: Esoteric armor use,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:34 PM, #81
Mystical armor use,
Artificial,
19-Sep-13 12:14 AM, #96
Random thought on detections,
Torak,
16-Sep-13 03:47 PM, #45
RE: Random thought on detections,
Straklaw,
16-Sep-13 06:27 PM, #58
Hm, maybe I'm underestimating them?,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-13 05:53 PM, #91
I don't think it has any affect on AC,
Tac,
18-Sep-13 07:11 PM, #93
Except gates.,
Tsunami,
18-Sep-13 09:26 PM, #95
RE: I don't think it has any affect on AC,
Eskelian,
22-Sep-13 04:24 AM, #116
A couple,
Moligant,
16-Sep-13 03:03 PM, #44
RE: A couple,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:07 PM, #57
RE: A couple,
Kalageadon,
18-Sep-13 09:12 AM, #88
beastmaster tame,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:28 AM, #28
You can tame the snow leopard from frigid wasteland,
DurNominator,
16-Sep-13 01:01 PM, #38
Even that sucks at hero,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 01:11 PM, #39
nah, it's nothing. nt,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 01:40 PM, #41
There are a couple mobs...,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 02:55 PM, #43
RE: beastmaster tame,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:06 PM, #56
Projection,
Scrimbul,
16-Sep-13 08:57 AM, #24
It is useful,
Cenatar_,
16-Sep-13 11:12 AM, #30
It takes you off the who list,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 12:17 PM, #33
It is very useful imho,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #34
uhh?,
CD,
16-Sep-13 12:29 PM, #35
That doesn't work anymore,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 12:33 PM, #37
You kinda show a lack of depth yourself.,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #100
RE: Projection,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:04 PM, #55
Conjure WIll-o-wisp,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 06:49 AM, #21
RE: Conjure WIll-o-wisp,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:03 PM, #54
I always assumed the point was to use it on servitors,
Tac,
16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #61
I'll agree with this one,
Scarabaeus,
16-Sep-13 09:24 PM, #65
Funny Will-O story,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 09:49 PM, #66
Antipaladin shield cleave,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 04:49 AM, #17
As resident AP enthuisiast,
Torak,
16-Sep-13 11:01 AM, #29
Pierce/thrust/slice,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 11:23 AM, #31
There is more,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 12:30 PM, #36
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
Vilhazarog,
16-Sep-13 01:26 PM, #40
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
KaguMaru,
17-Sep-13 12:18 AM, #67
Hit roll?,
incognito,
17-Sep-13 06:56 AM, #68
Same experience as a ranger a few months ago,
Calion,
17-Sep-13 07:20 AM, #69
RE: Same experience as a ranger a few months ago,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:48 PM, #70
RE: Antipaladin shield cleave,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 06:02 PM, #53
AoD does some resist positive, right?,
Tac,
16-Sep-13 08:07 PM, #64
RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells,
Lhydia,
16-Sep-13 04:40 AM, #16
Partial shifts..,
KaguMaru,
16-Sep-13 04:54 AM, #18
RE: Unwanted Skills/Spells,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:55 PM, #52
Hahaha. Oh. Still pretty useless then. =P n/t,
Lhydia,
16-Sep-13 07:54 PM, #60
Long list of EVERY skill I could think of.,
Straklaw,
15-Sep-13 11:52 PM, #12
I'll chime in on the thief part, mkay?,
Murphy,
16-Sep-13 01:43 AM #15
Thoughts ,
incognito,
16-Sep-13 06:58 AM, #22
plainsrunning and bramblepit yes. AND,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #26
Armorers spell can be very useful indeed,
incognito,
18-Sep-13 07:17 AM, #85
Overhead, legsweep and misdirect.,
Zephon,
15-Sep-13 10:38 PM, #7
RE: Overhead, legsweep and misdirect.,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 10:55 PM, #8
Ideas,
Zephon,
15-Sep-13 11:21 PM, #10
RE: misdirect.,
Straklaw,
16-Sep-13 12:04 AM, #13
Overhead works underwater,
Drag0nSt0rm,
16-Sep-13 07:01 AM, #23
Staff vs spear,
vargal,
16-Sep-13 01:52 PM, #42
Staff is nice,
incognito,
18-Sep-13 07:19 AM, #86
RE: Staff is nice,
lasentia,
18-Sep-13 08:06 AM, #87
The strengths of the niche aren't lost on me.,
vargal,
18-Sep-13 12:45 PM, #89
Smear Mud,
Perennial Ranger (Anonymous),
15-Sep-13 10:19 PM, #6
RE: Smear Mud,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 10:56 PM, #9
So what you're saying is...,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 11:29 PM, #11
Smear mud has an echo when it works NT,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 05:10 AM, #19
RE: Smear mud has an echo when it works NT,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:49 PM, #51
Smearmud on the wrists works well against kotegaeshi,
Theerkla,
16-Sep-13 06:39 AM, #20
Crescent,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 09:31 PM, #3
crescent AND leverage kick,
Dallevian,
16-Sep-13 09:25 AM, #25
Seconded on Crescent and Leverage Kick. (n/t),
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 09:27 AM, #27
Leverage kick,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 11:25 AM, #32
Agreed on leverage kick,
Calion,
20-Sep-13 12:27 PM, #106
Small additional note,
Calion,
21-Sep-13 09:18 AM, #109
RE: Crescent,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:47 PM, #50
Fair enough.,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 08:05 PM, #63
RE: Crescent,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
17-Sep-13 11:22 AM, #72
RE: Crescent,
Daevryn,
17-Sep-13 05:27 PM, #79
Whispering Wind and Siltscreen,
Homard,
15-Sep-13 09:23 PM, #2
+1 whispering wind,
highbutterfly,
16-Sep-13 04:37 PM, #46
RE: Whispering Wind and Siltscreen,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:46 PM, #49
I loved using WW,
TMNS,
16-Sep-13 06:54 PM, #59
Whispering wind can be used to communicate in the dream...,
Frequentplayer,
19-Sep-13 01:42 PM, #101
Panhandle and fence.,
Murphy,
15-Sep-13 08:55 PM, #1
RE: Panhandle and fence.,
Daevryn,
15-Sep-13 09:32 PM, #4
RE: Panhandle and fence.,
Tsunami,
15-Sep-13 09:36 PM, #5
Fence is awesome,
Polmier (Anonymous),
16-Sep-13 05:22 PM, #47
Awesome,
Tsunami,
16-Sep-13 08:04 PM, #62
Tribunal? Seriously?,
Murphy,
16-Sep-13 01:08 AM, #14
RE: Tribunal? Seriously?,
Daevryn,
16-Sep-13 05:44 PM, #48
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