Ok, again, you guys are missing the point. We are not talking about depth of dedication as a matter of faith.

We are talking about it as a matter of time. It takes longer to become a master of the things your guild teaches you if your guild is the invoker guild than it does if your guild is the paladin guild.

That's all. The helpfile speaks to a lack of patience, a lack of a willingness to put in the time.

Because of that, it makes no sense to say arials can be invokers but not paladins.

Now, if you wanted to say that it requires a level of dedication to faith or goodness or whatever, fine. Though that of course would pose at least something of a problem for arials being shamen, but that's a different topic.

As an aside, if you are trying to say that because it takes a significantly greater amount of time to go through the spells as an invoker but that ic no such time investment is present, I think that's just silly. Obviously it's ic as much if not more than ooc. As the easy and obvious example, the invoker guild is the only one which has virtually all spells being taught only when predicate spells are mastered or near mastered. The Paladin guild will let you speed level to hero and get all the guild sups no matter how long you've been a paladin, and what mastery you have in any set of supplications or skills (obviously shield mastery is the one exception, but that's just that, an exception).

Invokers spend more time, ic, learning to be an invoker, than any other guild requires to be its profession. By far. To be an invoker requires enormous patience and dedication of time. Arials can be invokers. But arials, according the helpfile, cannot be paladins because they are unwilling and/or unable to dedicate that amount of patience and time. These are mutually exclusive, and so the helpfile should be changed.