2) Please do not be the guy who begins the post with "I've never played with or against this new feature, but..." Step back, and if you really have a point, someone who has evidence will figure it out and bring it forward. Let them have the stage. A badly articulated argument for a point can actually damage future arguments for the same point.

I certainly hope I dont fall into this category. From memory, I've only ever complained about either thieves or assassins, both of which I have played exclusively for the last 4 years or so.

4) Take responsibility and post to say "This new feature is fine." or "Here is why I think this new feature should change." if you've had more experience with it than most players do. The Battlefield is a good forum for this, and people use it well in this respect, but Gameplay, AskanImm, or email to the appropriate people can also work.

Well, I guess my beef is that assassins have not recieved any positive changes. Let us take the vanish change, a rather huge change. Why was it changed? Was it because:

(a) Vanish/assassinate tactic?
- A timer could have been put on an assassinate attempt, making vanish less reliable. Hence the players who rely on said tactic (Padgett, etc) would be negatively effected. My primary beef with the change was that an excellent use of vanish was to escape entwine.

(b) Vanish succeeded 100% of the time when perfected?
- Word of Recall succeededs 100% of the time when perfected *shrug*

Though, truth be told, I wouldn't have been as annoyed with the change if assassins had recieved something positive. Sort of a give-and-take type of deal. Who knows, maybe its just more fun coding up more and more (and more!) #### for warriors, or maybe there is no immortal who is interested in coding up new assassin stuff.

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Now, onto thieves. When the neo thieves came out, I will admit that I wrongly did complain about their lack of power etc...However, when knock-out trap was changed from a 12 to a 5 hour duration...well I sent you an email concerning many things, so I won't bother repeating myself here too much. As for your question as who would take old-school thieves over neo thieves...it would depend on the scenario. But I do miss third attack, old-school blackjack & bind, and ofcourse doublebackstab. That was raw killing potential, but I suppose I like neo-thieves because of the greater variety.

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Rom.