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Vortex MagusSun 21-Aug-11 06:36 PM
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#39731, "I feel like there are OOC and IC aspects of courage and..."
Edited on Sun 21-Aug-11 06:43 PM

          

and a lot of people toe the line on the IC aspects, and completely ignore the OOC aspects.

For example,in this log:

http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?3,893261,893261#msg-893261

What the rager did was, from an IC perspective, both in parity and courageous: he charged a mage and his paladin ally, 2v1, destroyed the mage, and got away scot free.

What he did here from an OOC perspective (sitting as a ghost right next to a recall spot, and then dashing in and pincering someone who just worded in) lacked anything close to parity or courage: it's a strategy designed to get only the cheapest of the cheap kills, almost entirely risk free. No courage involved - from an OOC perspective I don't see a chance of him dying at all, so there's nothing to even be risked.

I know that you will only hold villagers to the IC standards of parity and courage, rather than the OOC standards, but to me the essence of a a genuinine rager was actually upheld best by Landren, a Fortress Captain:

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=31&topic_id=11974&mesg_id=11974&page=

I'm not saying every rager should solo rank or never ever gang, but I will say that Landren comes closest to what I think the ideals of courage and parity should be. He carefully defined his boundaries in a both IC and OOC manner, and never really came close to crossing them. I recall he even wrote a few treatises instructing people in the Fortress to avoid ganging, or even peripheral forms of ganging (striking someone after his opponent fled, ping-ponging a guy through various opponents without a chance to catch his breath, etc), when possible. Stuff I saw all the time from villagers over the years.

Of course, -I- am not a founder of the village, nor have I played any ragers on the pillar, so take that for what its worth. Also, I will refrain from commenting on the scout and defender paths, since I'm aware they aren't held to the same standards as berserkers.

  

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HOT Locked TopicThror's Challenge [View all] , Artificial, Sun 21-Aug-11 02:59 PM
Reply Call me stupid, Artificial, 22-Aug-11 04:57 PM, #35
Reply No Villager would consider himself a .6 or a .7, Homard, 22-Aug-11 05:47 PM, #36
Reply "there have been none in the 5th Age" is incorrect, Tsunami, 22-Aug-11 05:51 PM, #37
Reply You're stupid., ORB, 22-Aug-11 06:10 PM, #38
Reply Please make a copy of this thread in the Battle forum. ..., Quixotic, 22-Aug-11 04:29 PM, #34
Reply Great posts. Explains a couple things I hadn't consider..., Lhydia, 22-Aug-11 06:53 AM, #27
Reply Cosign nt, Gaplemo, 22-Aug-11 04:24 PM, #33
Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 03:33 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, Oldril, 21-Aug-11 03:37 PM, #2
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 04:07 PM, #3
     Reply Feel free to clarify, Oldril, 21-Aug-11 04:43 PM, #5
          Reply RE: Feel free to clarify, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 04:51 PM, #6
               Reply Agree, Oldril, 21-Aug-11 05:15 PM, #8
               Reply RE: Feel free to clarify, GrahamC, 22-Aug-11 02:30 PM, #31
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, Isildur, 21-Aug-11 04:10 PM, #4
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, Phawa (Anonymous), 21-Aug-11 05:12 PM, #7
     Reply I feel like there are OOC and IC aspects of courage and..., Vortex Magus, 21-Aug-11 06:43 PM #9
     Reply RE: I feel like there are OOC and IC aspects of courage..., HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 07:35 PM, #12
     Reply My responses:, Straklaw, 21-Aug-11 06:47 PM, #10
     Reply RE: My responses:, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 07:25 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, Tesline, 21-Aug-11 07:57 PM, #13
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, Quas (Anonymous), 21-Aug-11 08:02 PM, #14
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, Scrimbul, 21-Aug-11 08:06 PM, #15
     Reply Honestly you can kill a villager easy, Tesline, 21-Aug-11 08:30 PM, #16
     Reply RE: Honestly you can kill a villager easy, Scrimbul, 21-Aug-11 10:05 PM, #20
     Reply RE: Thror's Challenge, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 10:56 PM, #24
     Reply My own thoughts., TMNS, 21-Aug-11 08:40 PM, #17
     Reply Defining Courage, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 09:29 PM, #18
     Reply So this is...uh...interesting...but, Artificial, 21-Aug-11 09:53 PM, #19
     Reply RE: So this is...uh...interesting...but, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 10:13 PM, #21
     Reply I'm curious..., Bajula, 22-Aug-11 09:11 AM, #28
     Reply Defining Parity, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 10:21 PM, #22
     Reply The Siege and the Skirmish, HammerSong, 21-Aug-11 10:54 PM, #23
     Reply My issue is with..., Abernyte, 22-Aug-11 02:08 PM, #29
          Reply Phone being weird, Abernyte, 22-Aug-11 02:13 PM, #30
               Reply Umm No, Quas (Anonymous), 22-Aug-11 02:38 PM, #32
     Reply Thanks so much for posting these in much more detail!, Oldril, 21-Aug-11 11:29 PM, #25
          Reply Almost makes me want to roll a villager., TMNS, 22-Aug-11 12:45 AM, #26
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