Vortex Magus | Sun 21-Aug-11 06:36 PM |
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#39731, "I feel like there are OOC and IC aspects of courage and..."
Edited on Sun 21-Aug-11 06:43 PM
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and a lot of people toe the line on the IC aspects, and completely ignore the OOC aspects.
For example,in this log:
http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?3,893261,893261#msg-893261
What the rager did was, from an IC perspective, both in parity and courageous: he charged a mage and his paladin ally, 2v1, destroyed the mage, and got away scot free.
What he did here from an OOC perspective (sitting as a ghost right next to a recall spot, and then dashing in and pincering someone who just worded in) lacked anything close to parity or courage: it's a strategy designed to get only the cheapest of the cheap kills, almost entirely risk free. No courage involved - from an OOC perspective I don't see a chance of him dying at all, so there's nothing to even be risked.
I know that you will only hold villagers to the IC standards of parity and courage, rather than the OOC standards, but to me the essence of a a genuinine rager was actually upheld best by Landren, a Fortress Captain:
http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=31&topic_id=11974&mesg_id=11974&page=
I'm not saying every rager should solo rank or never ever gang, but I will say that Landren comes closest to what I think the ideals of courage and parity should be. He carefully defined his boundaries in a both IC and OOC manner, and never really came close to crossing them. I recall he even wrote a few treatises instructing people in the Fortress to avoid ganging, or even peripheral forms of ganging (striking someone after his opponent fled, ping-ponging a guy through various opponents without a chance to catch his breath, etc), when possible. Stuff I saw all the time from villagers over the years.
Of course, -I- am not a founder of the village, nor have I played any ragers on the pillar, so take that for what its worth. Also, I will refrain from commenting on the scout and defender paths, since I'm aware they aren't held to the same standards as berserkers.
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Thror's Challenge
[View all] , Artificial, Sun 21-Aug-11 02:59 PM
Call me stupid,
Artificial,
22-Aug-11 04:57 PM, #35
No Villager would consider himself a .6 or a .7,
Homard,
22-Aug-11 05:47 PM, #36
"there have been none in the 5th Age" is incorrect,
Tsunami,
22-Aug-11 05:51 PM, #37
You're stupid.,
ORB,
22-Aug-11 06:10 PM, #38
Please make a copy of this thread in the Battle forum. ...,
Quixotic,
22-Aug-11 04:29 PM, #34
Great posts. Explains a couple things I hadn't consider...,
Lhydia,
22-Aug-11 06:53 AM, #27
Cosign nt,
Gaplemo,
22-Aug-11 04:24 PM, #33
RE: Thror's Challenge,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 03:33 PM, #1
RE: Thror's Challenge,
Oldril,
21-Aug-11 03:37 PM, #2
RE: Thror's Challenge,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 04:07 PM, #3
Feel free to clarify,
Oldril,
21-Aug-11 04:43 PM, #5
RE: Feel free to clarify,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 04:51 PM, #6
Agree,
Oldril,
21-Aug-11 05:15 PM, #8
RE: Feel free to clarify,
GrahamC,
22-Aug-11 02:30 PM, #31
RE: Thror's Challenge,
Isildur,
21-Aug-11 04:10 PM, #4
RE: Thror's Challenge,
Phawa (Anonymous),
21-Aug-11 05:12 PM, #7
I feel like there are OOC and IC aspects of courage and...,
Vortex Magus,
21-Aug-11 06:43 PM #9
RE: I feel like there are OOC and IC aspects of courage...,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 07:35 PM, #12
My responses:,
Straklaw,
21-Aug-11 06:47 PM, #10
RE: My responses:,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 07:25 PM, #11
RE: Thror's Challenge,
Tesline,
21-Aug-11 07:57 PM, #13
RE: Thror's Challenge,
Quas (Anonymous),
21-Aug-11 08:02 PM, #14
RE: Thror's Challenge,
Scrimbul,
21-Aug-11 08:06 PM, #15
Honestly you can kill a villager easy,
Tesline,
21-Aug-11 08:30 PM, #16
RE: Honestly you can kill a villager easy,
Scrimbul,
21-Aug-11 10:05 PM, #20
RE: Thror's Challenge,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 10:56 PM, #24
My own thoughts.,
TMNS,
21-Aug-11 08:40 PM, #17
Defining Courage,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 09:29 PM, #18
So this is...uh...interesting...but,
Artificial,
21-Aug-11 09:53 PM, #19
RE: So this is...uh...interesting...but,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 10:13 PM, #21
I'm curious...,
Bajula,
22-Aug-11 09:11 AM, #28
Defining Parity,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 10:21 PM, #22
The Siege and the Skirmish,
HammerSong,
21-Aug-11 10:54 PM, #23
My issue is with...,
Abernyte,
22-Aug-11 02:08 PM, #29
Phone being weird,
Abernyte,
22-Aug-11 02:13 PM, #30
Umm No,
Quas (Anonymous),
22-Aug-11 02:38 PM, #32
Thanks so much for posting these in much more detail!,
Oldril,
21-Aug-11 11:29 PM, #25
Almost makes me want to roll a villager.,
TMNS,
22-Aug-11 12:45 AM, #26
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