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TorakThu 19-Aug-10 02:14 PM
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#34855, "It goes both ways"
Edited on Thu 19-Aug-10 02:19 PM

          

Part of the reason why Mekantos left was because of the "higher standard" they expected from him because of his epic characters. Things like Daevryn saying in his immortal comments "I expected more from you" is just wrong on so many levels considering they supposedly don't know who plays who and that his characters, which wasn't on the level Urden was, were getting flack for it. It's a game and it started to feel like a job - and great characters like Molo got #### in comparison to many others at the time.

Another big problem is they don't hold themselves to the same standards. I could go into details of immortals cheating, abusing items/bugs then fixing them or even IM conversations *happening now* with Immortals with players where they clearly break the rules. Generally in this realm it's been retorted with "it's our sandbox" and it's very "do as I say but not do as I do".

On a personal note, banning a repeat offender like Krilcov has been beneficial to the game - some people can't "fix" the problems they have and move on. Others can. Not tooting my own horn but considering what I did many years ago and now, it's a world of difference and I've changed. Jhyrbian from Valg's example and the Pittsburg crew and several others have adjusted. A lot of it would benefit from discussion as well instead of "the council has voted, you're out!"

The thing that hasn't adjusted? The Immortals.

  

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HOT TopicAgain, I say: [View all] , Stunna, Wed 18-Aug-10 04:36 PM
Reply is it only a lack of vision?, vorian, 22-Aug-10 04:07 PM, #71
Reply RE: is it only a lack of vision?, Isildur, 22-Aug-10 04:33 PM, #72
Reply Imms are too soft., Shapa, 19-Aug-10 09:26 PM, #43
Reply FWIW (Inre: lack of long term retention), Larcat, 19-Aug-10 04:38 PM, #29
Reply RE: FWIW (Inre: lack of long term retention), Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #32
     Reply RE: FWIW (Inre: lack of long term retention), Larcat, 19-Aug-10 11:41 PM, #51
Reply Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Valguarnera, 18-Aug-10 10:48 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), HammerSong, 18-Aug-10 11:43 PM, #2
     Reply My Take (really long; read at your own discretion), Thinhallen, 19-Aug-10 04:56 AM, #4
     Reply RE: My Take (really long; read at your own discretion), HammerSong, 19-Aug-10 06:42 PM, #34
     Reply :), trewyn, 21-Aug-10 12:51 AM, #67
          Reply "the time between the fun and not fun is too big", Thinhallen, 21-Aug-10 03:05 PM, #68
               Reply RE: , Daevryn, 21-Aug-10 08:46 PM, #69
     Reply Good post, one point., A2, 20-Aug-10 03:09 AM, #53
     Reply like (n/t) (meant to be under Valg's post)*, Nnaeshuk, 19-Aug-10 12:24 PM, #13
     Reply Great post., Asthiss, 19-Aug-10 02:07 AM, #3
     Reply Thanks for the link inside., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 06:38 AM, #5
     Reply I think at this point..., vargal, 19-Aug-10 06:54 AM, #6
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Jhyrbian, 19-Aug-10 08:36 AM, #7
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:04 AM, #8
     Reply Well said, Torak, 19-Aug-10 12:37 PM, #14
     Reply Nope. 2003., Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 05:46 PM, #30
          Reply Ah~, Torak, 19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #39
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 12:44 PM, #15
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 19-Aug-10 12:55 PM, #16
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:35 PM, #19
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:17 AM, #54
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 08:02 AM, #61
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 12:05 PM, #63
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 01:10 PM, #64
                         Reply There's a lot going on in this thread, A2, 20-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #65
     Reply I disagree that it's dogma., Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #31
          Reply Removed my southwest discussion, off topic. n/t, Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:03 PM, #46
          Reply As someone who has worked in several restaurants..., TMNS, 20-Aug-10 12:17 AM, #52
     Reply Talk about inflated ego., _Magus_, 19-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #26
          Reply Umm..., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 08:34 PM, #41
               Reply RE: Umm..., Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:52 PM, #47
                    Reply Yup NT, Lyristeon, 20-Aug-10 07:23 AM, #59
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Zulghinlour, 19-Aug-10 01:05 PM, #17
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:49 PM, #18
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 01:56 PM, #20
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 02:38 PM, #22
               Reply It goes both ways, Torak, 19-Aug-10 02:19 PM #25
               Reply RE: It goes both ways, Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #36
                    Reply Well..., Torak, 19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #38
                         Reply RE: Well..., Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #40
                              Reply As someone you've talked to ooc about mechanics, Stunna, 20-Aug-10 06:04 PM, #66
               Reply Good post, probably. n/t, Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:25 PM, #27
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:24 AM, #55
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 20-Aug-10 07:33 AM, #60
          Reply <3, Torak, 19-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #21
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:33 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:39 PM, #45
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #37
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:31 PM, #44
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 11:23 PM, #50
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 08:35 AM, #62
                         Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 21-Aug-10 08:51 PM, #70
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Zulghinlour, 19-Aug-10 09:34 PM, #42
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:01 PM, #48
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:32 AM, #56
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:10 PM, #24
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:10 PM, #49
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 19-Aug-10 09:22 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:34 AM, #57
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 20-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #58
     Reply Newbie Channel pt2., Kalageadon, 19-Aug-10 10:19 AM, #10
     Reply Good post, MoetEtChandon, 19-Aug-10 12:01 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Malakhi, 19-Aug-10 12:14 PM, #12
     Reply Wow, thanks for writing out what I was thinking! Hopefu..., Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:06 PM, #23
     Reply Party analogy, Quixotic, 19-Aug-10 04:28 PM, #28
     Reply RE: Party analogy, Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:56 PM, #35
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Vintus (Anonymous), 02-Sep-10 12:17 AM, #73
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