Torak | Thu 19-Aug-10 02:14 PM |
Member since 15th Feb 2007
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#34855, "It goes both ways"
Edited on Thu 19-Aug-10 02:19 PM
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Part of the reason why Mekantos left was because of the "higher standard" they expected from him because of his epic characters. Things like Daevryn saying in his immortal comments "I expected more from you" is just wrong on so many levels considering they supposedly don't know who plays who and that his characters, which wasn't on the level Urden was, were getting flack for it. It's a game and it started to feel like a job - and great characters like Molo got #### in comparison to many others at the time.
Another big problem is they don't hold themselves to the same standards. I could go into details of immortals cheating, abusing items/bugs then fixing them or even IM conversations *happening now* with Immortals with players where they clearly break the rules. Generally in this realm it's been retorted with "it's our sandbox" and it's very "do as I say but not do as I do".
On a personal note, banning a repeat offender like Krilcov has been beneficial to the game - some people can't "fix" the problems they have and move on. Others can. Not tooting my own horn but considering what I did many years ago and now, it's a world of difference and I've changed. Jhyrbian from Valg's example and the Pittsburg crew and several others have adjusted. A lot of it would benefit from discussion as well instead of "the council has voted, you're out!"
The thing that hasn't adjusted? The Immortals.
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Again, I say:
[View all] , Stunna, Wed 18-Aug-10 04:36 PM
is it only a lack of vision?,
vorian,
22-Aug-10 04:07 PM, #71
RE: is it only a lack of vision?,
Isildur,
22-Aug-10 04:33 PM, #72
Imms are too soft.,
Shapa,
19-Aug-10 09:26 PM, #43
FWIW (Inre: lack of long term retention),
Larcat,
19-Aug-10 04:38 PM, #29
RE: FWIW (Inre: lack of long term retention),
Valguarnera,
19-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #32
RE: FWIW (Inre: lack of long term retention),
Larcat,
19-Aug-10 11:41 PM, #51
Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Valguarnera,
18-Aug-10 10:48 PM, #1
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
HammerSong,
18-Aug-10 11:43 PM, #2
My Take (really long; read at your own discretion),
Thinhallen,
19-Aug-10 04:56 AM, #4
RE: My Take (really long; read at your own discretion),
HammerSong,
19-Aug-10 06:42 PM, #34
:),
trewyn,
21-Aug-10 12:51 AM, #67
"the time between the fun and not fun is too big",
Thinhallen,
21-Aug-10 03:05 PM, #68
RE: ,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-10 08:46 PM, #69
Good post, one point.,
A2,
20-Aug-10 03:09 AM, #53
like (n/t) (meant to be under Valg's post)*,
Nnaeshuk,
19-Aug-10 12:24 PM, #13
Great post.,
Asthiss,
19-Aug-10 02:07 AM, #3
Thanks for the link inside.,
Lyristeon,
19-Aug-10 06:38 AM, #5
I think at this point...,
vargal,
19-Aug-10 06:54 AM, #6
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Jhyrbian,
19-Aug-10 08:36 AM, #7
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 09:04 AM, #8
Well said,
Torak,
19-Aug-10 12:37 PM, #14
Nope. 2003.,
Valguarnera,
19-Aug-10 05:46 PM, #30
Ah~,
Torak,
19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #39
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Lyristeon,
19-Aug-10 12:44 PM, #15
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
ORB,
19-Aug-10 12:55 PM, #16
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 01:35 PM, #19
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
A2,
20-Aug-10 03:17 AM, #54
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
20-Aug-10 08:02 AM, #61
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
A2,
20-Aug-10 12:05 PM, #63
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
20-Aug-10 01:10 PM, #64
There's a lot going on in this thread,
A2,
20-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #65
I disagree that it's dogma.,
Valguarnera,
19-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #31
Removed my southwest discussion, off topic. n/t,
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 10:03 PM, #46
As someone who has worked in several restaurants...,
TMNS,
20-Aug-10 12:17 AM, #52
Talk about inflated ego.,
_Magus_,
19-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #26
Umm...,
Lyristeon,
19-Aug-10 08:34 PM, #41
RE: Umm...,
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 09:52 PM, #47
Yup NT,
Lyristeon,
20-Aug-10 07:23 AM, #59
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Zulghinlour,
19-Aug-10 01:05 PM, #17
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 01:49 PM, #18
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Lyristeon,
19-Aug-10 01:56 PM, #20
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 02:38 PM, #22
It goes both ways,
Torak,
19-Aug-10 02:19 PM #25
RE: It goes both ways,
Daevryn,
19-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #36
Well...,
Torak,
19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #38
RE: Well...,
Daevryn,
19-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #40
As someone you've talked to ooc about mechanics,
Stunna,
20-Aug-10 06:04 PM, #66
Good post, probably. n/t,
Stunna,
19-Aug-10 02:25 PM, #27
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
A2,
20-Aug-10 03:24 AM, #55
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Lyristeon,
20-Aug-10 07:33 AM, #60
<3,
Torak,
19-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #21
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Valguarnera,
19-Aug-10 06:33 PM, #33
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 09:39 PM, #45
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Daevryn,
19-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #37
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 09:31 PM, #44
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Daevryn,
19-Aug-10 11:23 PM, #50
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
20-Aug-10 08:35 AM, #62
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Daevryn,
21-Aug-10 08:51 PM, #70
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Zulghinlour,
19-Aug-10 09:34 PM, #42
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 10:01 PM, #48
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
A2,
20-Aug-10 03:32 AM, #56
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Stunna,
19-Aug-10 02:10 PM, #24
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Eskelian,
19-Aug-10 10:10 PM, #49
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
ORB,
19-Aug-10 09:22 AM, #9
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
A2,
20-Aug-10 03:34 AM, #57
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
ORB,
20-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #58
Newbie Channel pt2.,
Kalageadon,
19-Aug-10 10:19 AM, #10
Good post,
MoetEtChandon,
19-Aug-10 12:01 PM, #11
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Malakhi,
19-Aug-10 12:14 PM, #12
Wow, thanks for writing out what I was thinking! Hopefu...,
Stunna,
19-Aug-10 02:06 PM, #23
Party analogy,
Quixotic,
19-Aug-10 04:28 PM, #28
RE: Party analogy,
Valguarnera,
19-Aug-10 06:56 PM, #35
RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long),
Vintus (Anonymous),
02-Sep-10 12:17 AM, #73
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