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CerunnirMon 19-Apr-10 02:17 PM
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#31965, "Thoughts + ideas."
Edited on Mon 19-Apr-10 03:04 PM

  

          

>Usually these logs are about two rounds long. A midlevel
>invoker that isn't lagged out can pour out a terrifying amount
>of damage, not the least of which because hardly anyone gears
>for saves at those levels. (This, too, is an interesting
>chicken and the egg problem.)
>

I find this hard to belive. I can not imagine an invoker killing one of my warriors at level 30, given that we are both roughly the same level and at full health. My level 30 warriors tend to have in the region of 30-40 kills and 0-5 deaths(closer to 0 than 5 in most cases). A warrior (non giant) with half a brain will have 30-40(I think ive had over 50 at some point even, without any hero looting, just stuff I pick from my kills) damage roll at 30, which means that a voker unless hero geared is gonna die in a bloody pulp in 2-3 rounds unless prepped with aura, shield and protection etc. It should be mentioned that 95% of mages, or non-tank classes experience the same treatment.

Even though a voker can dish out major damage, a warrior with no vulnerability is not gonna lose 600 health in 2-3 rounds.. That is high damage even for a hero.

Im a fairly competent player, but I can not produce even remotly the same results with a mage at those levels. I have tried, several times. The most balanced casting class ive played is the druid. I may even go as far as to call them overpowered from level 15-40, then they even out in hero range. If you try to model mages after druids sort of.. atleast when it comes to defensive ability and when you get protections it should get MUCH more balanced.

Druids get 2 damage redux spells, the carapace thing and the protection from metals very early. They also get very nasty offensive abilities and shield block + parry. Things like thorn and fireseeds completly destroyed people in mid levels, and is easily nearly as damaging as invoker spells and moreso damaging than shifter forms etc. Mages get their damage reduction stuff much later, they only get parry and their offensive abilities is well.. stronger than a druids by a bit but not not nearly enaugh.

Oh and druids got a fair bit more health than a mage aswell.

Give mages the shield spell early and let them keep it up 24/7, give them some avoidance spell that either evade damage fairly regularly (perhaps implement it in pass door) or atleast reduce damage consistently on hits. Make the pass door thing in such a way that barrier nullify it. This way you increase mage strenght thoughout the ranks, aswell as give them a needed boost at hero if they dont have barrier.

  

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HOT Locked TopicRandom topic of discussion: Midlevels [View all] , Daevryn, Tue 18-May-10 08:27 PM
Reply Thread locked for sprawl. Please start sub-topics. (n/..., Valguarnera, 20-May-10 05:37 AM, #177
Reply Low level limited badassery items., Straklaw, 18-May-10 05:35 PM, #162
Reply Just a thought:, Marcus_, 17-May-10 12:43 PM, #154
Reply RE: Just a thought:, Daevryn, 17-May-10 02:09 PM, #163
     Reply I actually like Marcus' idea., sleepy, 17-May-10 02:42 PM, #155
     Reply Hello from Hollywood., Pro, 18-May-10 01:31 AM, #156
     Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Fjarn, 19-May-10 10:08 AM, #166
          Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-May-10 10:23 AM, #168
               Reply Definitely, Valkenar, 19-May-10 10:35 AM, #169
               Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Isildur, 19-May-10 12:38 PM, #170
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Valkenar, 19-May-10 12:56 PM, #171
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., Isildur, 19-May-10 01:25 PM, #172
                         Reply Meh, Valkenar, 19-May-10 03:03 PM, #173
                              Reply RE: Meh, Isildur, 19-May-10 03:09 PM, #174
                    Reply RE: Hello from Hollywood., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-May-10 03:11 PM, #175
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, ORB, 18-May-10 08:37 AM, #157
     Reply As a total train whore, Valkenar, 18-May-10 09:29 AM, #158
     Reply Cosign., Dervish, 18-May-10 11:13 AM, #160
     Reply RE: As a total train whore, Isildur, 18-May-10 04:10 PM, #161
          Reply Con trains, Valkenar, 19-May-10 08:00 AM, #165
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, Hutto, 18-May-10 10:57 AM, #159
     Reply RE: Just a thought:, Fjarn, 19-May-10 10:12 AM, #167
          Reply Maybe, Valkenar, 19-May-10 08:34 PM, #176
     Reply Using Marcus' idea but, Abernyte, 19-May-10 06:19 AM, #164
Reply Now that this has cooked for a while, Mekantos, 06-May-10 12:51 PM, #144
Reply RE: Now that this has cooked for a while, Daevryn, 06-May-10 12:53 PM, #145
     Reply FYI, this is up on Announcements now (n/t), Daevryn, 12-May-10 02:27 PM, #153
Reply An imm question related to this topic, Habbs, 04-May-10 01:06 PM, #138
Reply Mostly no:, Daevryn, 04-May-10 01:26 PM, #139
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Straklaw, 26-Apr-10 04:00 AM, #136
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Tyrjal, 25-Apr-10 07:13 PM, #135
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Tsunami, 24-Apr-10 12:30 PM, #132
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Doge, 23-Apr-10 09:49 PM, #130
Reply There used to be no xp cap., trewyn, 23-Apr-10 10:55 PM, #131
     Reply THE XP DYING PENALTY PLEASE, dribbit, 24-Apr-10 08:49 PM, #133
     Reply If you can't find your way out of a strange area, quaff..., DurNominator, 24-Apr-10 11:41 PM, #134
     Reply RE: There used to be no xp cap., Doge, 26-Apr-10 02:23 PM, #137
          Reply But the good thing about seeing -34% tnl, Pendragon_Surtr, 06-May-10 03:19 AM, #141
Reply For me, there is always a tickle in the back of my head..., Habbs, 23-Apr-10 11:48 AM, #129
Reply Adjust XP penalties, adjust ranking areas, adjust where, Amortis, 22-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #125
Reply re: expanded where, Quixotic, 22-Apr-10 12:34 PM, #127
Reply Spell Power Vs. Enhanced Damage, Seilclavin, 20-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #115
Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, Quixotic, 20-Apr-10 11:52 AM, #119
Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, Daevryn, 20-Apr-10 12:23 PM, #120
     Reply You overlooked, Quixotic, 20-Apr-10 12:35 PM, #121
     Reply RE: Gear-based Spell Idea, The Heretic, 07-May-10 09:21 AM, #146
Reply Best way to equalize mages and melee, Doof, 21-Apr-10 11:55 AM, #124
     Reply RE: Best way to equalize mages and melee, wjdenny, 05-May-10 02:16 PM, #140
Reply I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I like mid le..., Cointreau, 20-Apr-10 03:42 AM, #109
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Asthiss, 20-Apr-10 02:40 AM, #108
Reply I disagree., Eskelian, 20-Apr-10 09:14 AM, #113
     Reply RE: I disagree., Asthiss, 21-Apr-10 02:18 AM, #123
Reply RE: My Experience, Tac, 19-Apr-10 07:50 PM, #102
Reply Actually I do have one suggestion...., Tac, 19-Apr-10 08:00 PM, #103
Reply I like these suggestions a lot., ibuki, 20-Apr-10 05:11 AM, #111
Reply Another random thought.... re: scrolls, Tac, 20-Apr-10 02:56 PM, #122
Reply My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:, Valguarnera, 19-Apr-10 06:58 PM, #99
Reply Good post., Zephon, 19-Apr-10 09:22 PM, #105
Reply I pretty much agree with all of this, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 10:51 PM, #106
Reply Shout-out to the IMM staff within., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 11:03 PM, #107
Reply These are great observations. nt, GinGa, 20-Apr-10 03:47 AM, #110
Reply RE: My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:, Cerunnir, 20-Apr-10 08:11 AM, #112
     Reply Not to me, trewyn, 20-Apr-10 09:13 AM, #114
          Reply RE: Not to me, Daevryn, 20-Apr-10 09:55 AM, #116
          Reply She did on Dio's., Dervish, 20-Apr-10 10:41 AM, #118
          Reply RE: Not to me, Cerunnir, 20-Apr-10 10:22 AM, #117
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, GrahamC, 19-Apr-10 05:50 PM, #93
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:16 PM, #96
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Isildur, 19-Apr-10 05:37 PM, #91
Reply do it once do it twice, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:12 PM, #95
     Reply Its the luck factor..., Elerosse, 19-Apr-10 06:29 PM, #97
Reply Perception is a killer, laxman, 19-Apr-10 04:41 PM, #84
Reply Holy crap Mulshine, I totally agree with you for once!, TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 04:43 PM, #85
Reply RE: Perception is a killer, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 05:34 PM, #90
Reply Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better., Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 04:10 PM, #76
Reply RE: Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better., Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:13 PM, #77
Reply RE: Equipment, vargal, 19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #79
Reply I disagree on mage/melee, laxman, 19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #80
     Reply I agree with this., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #86
     Reply RE: I disagree on mage/melee, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 05:09 PM, #88
          Reply again when did you see one try, laxman, 19-Apr-10 06:07 PM, #94
               Reply RE: again when did you see one try, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 06:33 PM, #98
Reply A batch of thoughts, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 03:54 PM, #70
Reply Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions, Vortex Magus, 19-Apr-10 03:41 PM, #69
Reply RE: Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:08 PM, #74
Reply Damage scaling, Con gains, and skills, Valkenar, 19-Apr-10 02:15 PM, #55
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 01:01 PM, #37
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:09 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:13 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:19 PM, #47
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:33 PM, #50
     Reply Bards certainly are weak, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 02:26 PM, #60
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 01:23 PM, #48
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:28 PM, #49
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 01:42 PM, #52
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:12 PM, #58
     Reply Here we go, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 01:46 PM, #53
     Reply RE: Here we go, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #56
          Reply Thoughts + ideas., Cerunnir, 19-Apr-10 03:04 PM #59
               Reply Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 02:31 PM, #61
               Reply RE: Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #63
                    Reply I cant resist to quote you, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 03:01 PM, #65
                         Reply RE: I cant resist to quote you, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 03:21 PM, #67
                              Reply Tell their names at least? nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 04:18 PM, #78
                                   Reply RE: Tell their names at least? nt, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #82
                                   Reply I beat down people with my four path invoker..., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #83
                                        Reply Well, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 04:59 PM, #87
                                             Reply RE: Well, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 07:10 PM, #100
               Reply RE: Here we go, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #62
                    Reply RE: Here we go, Cerunnir, 19-Apr-10 03:16 PM, #66
                    Reply RE: Here we go, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 03:56 PM, #72
                         Reply RE: Here we go, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 05:12 PM, #89
                              Reply Urden, Jahfenar, Ilrahsek, Ikanu., Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 05:39 PM, #92
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Eskelian, 19-Apr-10 02:17 PM, #54
Reply Things that would make me stay in the mid levels, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 12:55 PM, #35
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Beroxxus, 19-Apr-10 12:54 PM, #34
Reply Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, trewyn, 19-Apr-10 12:48 PM, #31
Reply Cosign on first and last suggestions nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 12:51 PM, #33
Reply I agree with all of these ideas. 110% nt, Drag0nSt0rm, 19-Apr-10 12:57 PM, #36
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 01:05 PM, #40
Reply Explore early and move is never a problem., thendrell, 19-Apr-10 01:14 PM, #44
Reply Except, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 01:40 PM, #51
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Mekantos, 19-Apr-10 01:15 PM, #45
Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, GrahamC, 19-Apr-10 02:55 PM, #64
     Reply RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 03:24 PM, #68
          Reply <== is king of that., trewyn, 19-Apr-10 07:32 PM, #101
               Reply Ragers do get ####ed. But that's part of being a rager..., TheLastMohican, 19-Apr-10 09:07 PM, #104
Reply RE: movement regen, Zulghinlour, 19-Apr-10 03:59 PM, #73
     Reply RE: movement regen, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 04:09 PM, #75
     Reply RE: movement regen, Marcus_, 19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #81
     Reply RE: movement regen, Isildur, 14-May-10 11:29 AM, #151
     Reply RE: movement regen, Hutto, 13-May-10 05:00 PM, #147
          Reply RE: movement regen, Isildur, 14-May-10 11:19 AM, #150
Reply This isn't a possitive but..., Pro, 19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #22
Reply I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the game i..., Pro, 19-Apr-10 12:01 PM, #23
     Reply RE: I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the ga..., sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:17 PM, #46
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #21
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:31 PM, #29
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:06 PM, #41
     Reply Damn your logic., thendrell, 19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #57
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Gryshilniar, 06-May-10 12:09 PM, #142
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 06-May-10 12:50 PM, #143
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, A2, 13-May-10 11:45 PM, #148
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 14-May-10 09:00 AM, #149
                         Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, A2, 14-May-10 11:33 AM, #152
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, TJHuron, 19-Apr-10 11:49 AM, #20
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:28 PM, #27
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, TJHuron, 19-Apr-10 01:03 PM, #39
Reply Ideas, Quixotic, 19-Apr-10 11:18 AM, #12
Reply RE: Ideas, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:28 AM, #16
Reply RE: Heralds, Quixotic, 19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Heralds, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 12:49 PM, #32
          Reply RE: Heralds, thendrell, 19-Apr-10 03:53 PM, #71
Reply RE: Ideas, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 11:31 AM, #17
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 11:08 AM, #10
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 19-Apr-10 11:42 AM, #13
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Hutto, 22-Apr-10 10:10 AM, #126
          Reply Con Loss., Pro, 22-Apr-10 01:57 PM, #128
Reply Off the cuff., Dallevian, 19-Apr-10 10:55 AM, #8
Reply Last thing would be great to help newbies nt, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 11:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, ORB, 19-Apr-10 10:48 AM, #7
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 10:56 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:16 AM, #11
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 11:26 AM, #14
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #18
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #24
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 01:00 PM, #38
               Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 11:43 AM, #19
                    Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:26 PM, #26
                         Reply Yes, I agree with you. I just pointed out two cases I e..., Dervish, 19-Apr-10 12:29 PM, #28
                              Reply Fair enough n/t, Daevryn, 19-Apr-10 12:33 PM, #30
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #3
Reply Nothing., Dervish, 19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #2
Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, 34-inside, 19-Apr-10 10:20 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, sorlag (Anonymous), 19-Apr-10 10:34 AM, #4
          Reply Dunno, I never had big problems finding a group, Dervish, 19-Apr-10 10:38 AM, #5
          Reply RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels, 34-inside, 19-Apr-10 10:39 AM, #6
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