Cerunnir | Mon 19-Apr-10 02:17 PM |
Member since 21st Oct 2003
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#31965, "Thoughts + ideas."
Edited on Mon 19-Apr-10 03:04 PM
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>Usually these logs are about two rounds long. A midlevel >invoker that isn't lagged out can pour out a terrifying amount >of damage, not the least of which because hardly anyone gears >for saves at those levels. (This, too, is an interesting >chicken and the egg problem.) >
I find this hard to belive. I can not imagine an invoker killing one of my warriors at level 30, given that we are both roughly the same level and at full health. My level 30 warriors tend to have in the region of 30-40 kills and 0-5 deaths(closer to 0 than 5 in most cases). A warrior (non giant) with half a brain will have 30-40(I think ive had over 50 at some point even, without any hero looting, just stuff I pick from my kills) damage roll at 30, which means that a voker unless hero geared is gonna die in a bloody pulp in 2-3 rounds unless prepped with aura, shield and protection etc. It should be mentioned that 95% of mages, or non-tank classes experience the same treatment.
Even though a voker can dish out major damage, a warrior with no vulnerability is not gonna lose 600 health in 2-3 rounds.. That is high damage even for a hero.
Im a fairly competent player, but I can not produce even remotly the same results with a mage at those levels. I have tried, several times. The most balanced casting class ive played is the druid. I may even go as far as to call them overpowered from level 15-40, then they even out in hero range. If you try to model mages after druids sort of.. atleast when it comes to defensive ability and when you get protections it should get MUCH more balanced.
Druids get 2 damage redux spells, the carapace thing and the protection from metals very early. They also get very nasty offensive abilities and shield block + parry. Things like thorn and fireseeds completly destroyed people in mid levels, and is easily nearly as damaging as invoker spells and moreso damaging than shifter forms etc. Mages get their damage reduction stuff much later, they only get parry and their offensive abilities is well.. stronger than a druids by a bit but not not nearly enaugh.
Oh and druids got a fair bit more health than a mage aswell.
Give mages the shield spell early and let them keep it up 24/7, give them some avoidance spell that either evade damage fairly regularly (perhaps implement it in pass door) or atleast reduce damage consistently on hits. Make the pass door thing in such a way that barrier nullify it. This way you increase mage strenght thoughout the ranks, aswell as give them a needed boost at hero if they dont have barrier.
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Random topic of discussion: Midlevels
[View all] , Daevryn, Tue 18-May-10 08:27 PM
Thread locked for sprawl. Please start sub-topics. (n/...,
Valguarnera,
20-May-10 05:37 AM, #177
Low level limited badassery items.,
Straklaw,
18-May-10 05:35 PM, #162
Just a thought:,
Marcus_,
17-May-10 12:43 PM, #154
RE: Just a thought:,
Daevryn,
17-May-10 02:09 PM, #163
I actually like Marcus' idea.,
sleepy,
17-May-10 02:42 PM, #155
Hello from Hollywood.,
Pro,
18-May-10 01:31 AM, #156
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Fjarn,
19-May-10 10:08 AM, #166
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-May-10 10:23 AM, #168
Definitely,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 10:35 AM, #169
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Isildur,
19-May-10 12:38 PM, #170
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 12:56 PM, #171
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
Isildur,
19-May-10 01:25 PM, #172
Meh,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 03:03 PM, #173
RE: Meh,
Isildur,
19-May-10 03:09 PM, #174
RE: Hello from Hollywood.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-May-10 03:11 PM, #175
RE: Just a thought:,
ORB,
18-May-10 08:37 AM, #157
As a total train whore,
Valkenar,
18-May-10 09:29 AM, #158
Cosign.,
Dervish,
18-May-10 11:13 AM, #160
RE: As a total train whore,
Isildur,
18-May-10 04:10 PM, #161
Con trains,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 08:00 AM, #165
RE: Just a thought:,
Hutto,
18-May-10 10:57 AM, #159
RE: Just a thought:,
Fjarn,
19-May-10 10:12 AM, #167
Maybe,
Valkenar,
19-May-10 08:34 PM, #176
Using Marcus' idea but,
Abernyte,
19-May-10 06:19 AM, #164
Now that this has cooked for a while,
Mekantos,
06-May-10 12:51 PM, #144
RE: Now that this has cooked for a while,
Daevryn,
06-May-10 12:53 PM, #145
FYI, this is up on Announcements now (n/t),
Daevryn,
12-May-10 02:27 PM, #153
An imm question related to this topic,
Habbs,
04-May-10 01:06 PM, #138
Mostly no:,
Daevryn,
04-May-10 01:26 PM, #139
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Straklaw,
26-Apr-10 04:00 AM, #136
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Tyrjal,
25-Apr-10 07:13 PM, #135
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Tsunami,
24-Apr-10 12:30 PM, #132
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Doge,
23-Apr-10 09:49 PM, #130
There used to be no xp cap.,
trewyn,
23-Apr-10 10:55 PM, #131
THE XP DYING PENALTY PLEASE,
dribbit,
24-Apr-10 08:49 PM, #133
If you can't find your way out of a strange area, quaff...,
DurNominator,
24-Apr-10 11:41 PM, #134
RE: There used to be no xp cap.,
Doge,
26-Apr-10 02:23 PM, #137
But the good thing about seeing -34% tnl,
Pendragon_Surtr,
06-May-10 03:19 AM, #141
For me, there is always a tickle in the back of my head...,
Habbs,
23-Apr-10 11:48 AM, #129
Adjust XP penalties, adjust ranking areas, adjust where,
Amortis,
22-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #125
re: expanded where,
Quixotic,
22-Apr-10 12:34 PM, #127
Spell Power Vs. Enhanced Damage,
Seilclavin,
20-Apr-10 09:52 AM, #115
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
Quixotic,
20-Apr-10 11:52 AM, #119
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
Daevryn,
20-Apr-10 12:23 PM, #120
You overlooked,
Quixotic,
20-Apr-10 12:35 PM, #121
RE: Gear-based Spell Idea,
The Heretic,
07-May-10 09:21 AM, #146
Best way to equalize mages and melee,
Doof,
21-Apr-10 11:55 AM, #124
RE: Best way to equalize mages and melee,
wjdenny,
05-May-10 02:16 PM, #140
I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I like mid le...,
Cointreau,
20-Apr-10 03:42 AM, #109
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Asthiss,
20-Apr-10 02:40 AM, #108
I disagree.,
Eskelian,
20-Apr-10 09:14 AM, #113
RE: I disagree.,
Asthiss,
21-Apr-10 02:18 AM, #123
RE: My Experience,
Tac,
19-Apr-10 07:50 PM, #102
Actually I do have one suggestion....,
Tac,
19-Apr-10 08:00 PM, #103
I like these suggestions a lot.,
ibuki,
20-Apr-10 05:11 AM, #111
Another random thought.... re: scrolls,
Tac,
20-Apr-10 02:56 PM, #122
My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:,
Valguarnera,
19-Apr-10 06:58 PM, #99
Good post.,
Zephon,
19-Apr-10 09:22 PM, #105
I pretty much agree with all of this,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 10:51 PM, #106
Shout-out to the IMM staff within.,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 11:03 PM, #107
These are great observations. nt,
GinGa,
20-Apr-10 03:47 AM, #110
RE: My opinion re: class balance at mid-levels:,
Cerunnir,
20-Apr-10 08:11 AM, #112
Not to me,
trewyn,
20-Apr-10 09:13 AM, #114
RE: Not to me,
Daevryn,
20-Apr-10 09:55 AM, #116
She did on Dio's.,
Dervish,
20-Apr-10 10:41 AM, #118
RE: Not to me,
Cerunnir,
20-Apr-10 10:22 AM, #117
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
GrahamC,
19-Apr-10 05:50 PM, #93
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:16 PM, #96
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Isildur,
19-Apr-10 05:37 PM, #91
do it once do it twice,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:12 PM, #95
Its the luck factor...,
Elerosse,
19-Apr-10 06:29 PM, #97
Perception is a killer,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 04:41 PM, #84
Holy crap Mulshine, I totally agree with you for once!,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 04:43 PM, #85
RE: Perception is a killer,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 05:34 PM, #90
Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better.,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 04:10 PM, #76
RE: Some thoughts on making low/mid level pk better.,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:13 PM, #77
RE: Equipment,
vargal,
19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #79
I disagree on mage/melee,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 04:23 PM, #80
I agree with this.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 04:54 PM, #86
RE: I disagree on mage/melee,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 05:09 PM, #88
again when did you see one try,
laxman,
19-Apr-10 06:07 PM, #94
RE: again when did you see one try,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 06:33 PM, #98
A batch of thoughts,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 03:54 PM, #70
Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions,
Vortex Magus,
19-Apr-10 03:41 PM, #69
RE: Two points: cabal imbalance and shiny addictions,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:08 PM, #74
Damage scaling, Con gains, and skills,
Valkenar,
19-Apr-10 02:15 PM, #55
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 01:01 PM, #37
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:09 PM, #42
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:13 PM, #43
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:19 PM, #47
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:33 PM, #50
Bards certainly are weak,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 02:26 PM, #60
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 01:23 PM, #48
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:28 PM, #49
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 01:42 PM, #52
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:12 PM, #58
Here we go,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 01:46 PM, #53
RE: Here we go,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #56
Thoughts + ideas.,
Cerunnir,
19-Apr-10 03:04 PM #59
Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 02:31 PM, #61
RE: Cosign. I'd love to see some logs of PBFs, Nep nt,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #63
I cant resist to quote you,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 03:01 PM, #65
RE: I cant resist to quote you,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 03:21 PM, #67
Tell their names at least? nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 04:18 PM, #78
RE: Tell their names at least? nt,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #82
I beat down people with my four path invoker...,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #83
Well,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 04:59 PM, #87
RE: Well,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 07:10 PM, #100
RE: Here we go,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 02:54 PM, #62
RE: Here we go,
Cerunnir,
19-Apr-10 03:16 PM, #66
RE: Here we go,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 03:56 PM, #72
RE: Here we go,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 05:12 PM, #89
Urden, Jahfenar, Ilrahsek, Ikanu.,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 05:39 PM, #92
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Eskelian,
19-Apr-10 02:17 PM, #54
Things that would make me stay in the mid levels,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 12:55 PM, #35
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Beroxxus,
19-Apr-10 12:54 PM, #34
Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
trewyn,
19-Apr-10 12:48 PM, #31
Cosign on first and last suggestions nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 12:51 PM, #33
I agree with all of these ideas. 110% nt,
Drag0nSt0rm,
19-Apr-10 12:57 PM, #36
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 01:05 PM, #40
Explore early and move is never a problem.,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 01:14 PM, #44
Except,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 01:40 PM, #51
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Mekantos,
19-Apr-10 01:15 PM, #45
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
GrahamC,
19-Apr-10 02:55 PM, #64
RE: Give out Cabal Rewards Sooner,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 03:24 PM, #68
<== is king of that.,
trewyn,
19-Apr-10 07:32 PM, #101
Ragers do get ####ed. But that's part of being a rager...,
TheLastMohican,
19-Apr-10 09:07 PM, #104
RE: movement regen,
Zulghinlour,
19-Apr-10 03:59 PM, #73
RE: movement regen,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 04:09 PM, #75
RE: movement regen,
Marcus_,
19-Apr-10 04:28 PM, #81
RE: movement regen,
Isildur,
14-May-10 11:29 AM, #151
RE: movement regen,
Hutto,
13-May-10 05:00 PM, #147
RE: movement regen,
Isildur,
14-May-10 11:19 AM, #150
This isn't a possitive but...,
Pro,
19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #22
I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the game i...,
Pro,
19-Apr-10 12:01 PM, #23
RE: I would say my biggest mechanical dislike in the ga...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:17 PM, #46
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 11:58 AM, #21
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:31 PM, #29
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:06 PM, #41
Damn your logic.,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 02:07 PM, #57
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Gryshilniar,
06-May-10 12:09 PM, #142
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
06-May-10 12:50 PM, #143
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
A2,
13-May-10 11:45 PM, #148
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
14-May-10 09:00 AM, #149
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
A2,
14-May-10 11:33 AM, #152
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
TJHuron,
19-Apr-10 11:49 AM, #20
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:28 PM, #27
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
TJHuron,
19-Apr-10 01:03 PM, #39
Ideas,
Quixotic,
19-Apr-10 11:18 AM, #12
RE: Ideas,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:28 AM, #16
RE: Heralds,
Quixotic,
19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #25
RE: Heralds,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 12:49 PM, #32
RE: Heralds,
thendrell,
19-Apr-10 03:53 PM, #71
RE: Ideas,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 11:31 AM, #17
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 11:08 AM, #10
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
19-Apr-10 11:42 AM, #13
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Hutto,
22-Apr-10 10:10 AM, #126
Con Loss.,
Pro,
22-Apr-10 01:57 PM, #128
Off the cuff.,
Dallevian,
19-Apr-10 10:55 AM, #8
Last thing would be great to help newbies nt,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 11:27 AM, #15
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
ORB,
19-Apr-10 10:48 AM, #7
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 10:56 AM, #9
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:16 AM, #11
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 11:26 AM, #14
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 11:37 AM, #18
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:22 PM, #24
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 01:00 PM, #38
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 11:43 AM, #19
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:26 PM, #26
Yes, I agree with you. I just pointed out two cases I e...,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 12:29 PM, #28
Fair enough n/t,
Daevryn,
19-Apr-10 12:33 PM, #30
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #3
Nothing.,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 10:30 AM, #2
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
34-inside,
19-Apr-10 10:20 AM, #1
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
sorlag (Anonymous),
19-Apr-10 10:34 AM, #4
Dunno, I never had big problems finding a group,
Dervish,
19-Apr-10 10:38 AM, #5
RE: Random topic of discussion: Midlevels,
34-inside,
19-Apr-10 10:39 AM, #6
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