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ValkenarFri 29-Jun-07 03:54 PM
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#18228, "Well, I disagree"


          

>warrior/thief/ranger/whatever. Does the average mage without
>ABS have all the tools it needs to defeat the average warrior,
>of equal skill, 50% of the time? I think it does.

And I would say no. A mage like that is absolutely dependant on opportunism. A warrior isn't. Sure, a mage *could* go 50/50 or even win 100% by being extra cautious, but that's not the question. In my experience, with mages and non-mages, is that mages without at least some extra protections are too fragile to be scary (unless you have no saves and get surprised and slept). I mean, as a *bard* with a nightwalker in the daytime, a couple of times I out-melleed a hero transmuter with a/b/s who froze me, but failed to soften/decalc me before he got wittled down. And I had crappy saves. Now imagine if I was a warrior with decent saves and he had no a/b/s... he wouldn't stand a chance.

Do you think Lightmage is just an idiot, because he has said that you need a/b/s as a shifter. Overall I think that while there certainly are a number of different cases where mages can win without a/b/s, they can't get in there and mix it up, and absolutely must rely on opportunism. By contrast, most melee classes can accept a wider variety of fights and have a pretty even chance. A full a/b/s mage is probably more on the overpowered side, and that's why they shouldn't be given a/b/s all the time. But without at least something they are definitely lacking.

Lastly, you're forgetting that anyone can pretty easily prepare to fight a mage by gearing for svs, which can really ruin the mage's chances.

  

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HOT TopicDoes the current wand system encourage more cheating? [View all] , jasmin, Thu 21-Jun-07 12:36 PM
Reply RE: Does the current wand system encourage more cheatin..., Rade, 02-Aug-07 11:34 AM, #71
Reply No, for I don't bother to make a list of wands that mig..., DurNominator, 27-Jun-07 11:39 PM, #36
Reply RE: Does the current wand system encourage more cheatin..., Doge, 22-Jun-07 11:15 AM, #11
Reply RE: Does the current wand system encourage more cheatin..., Gabe, 22-Jun-07 08:12 PM, #20
     Reply Heh, in the last RS incarnation, Tac, 25-Jun-07 08:26 AM, #29
          Reply I'm not sure what the point is, but this is a lie. nt, Nightshade, 25-Jun-07 10:32 AM, #30
Reply RE: Does the current wand system encourage more cheatin..., Zulghinlour, 21-Jun-07 01:09 PM, #1
     Reply A little spoon for the newbies, Mekantos, 21-Jun-07 02:07 PM, #2
     Reply Sleeks have been an endless source of frustration, astaroth, 22-Jun-07 02:04 AM, #3
     Reply I hear you, Torak, 22-Jun-07 05:37 PM, #17
     Reply RE: I hear you, incognito, 24-Jun-07 03:48 PM, #24
     Reply RE: I hear you, Torak, 24-Jun-07 10:35 PM, #28
     Reply RE: I hear you, Isildur, 24-Jun-07 04:51 PM, #26
          Reply RE: I hear you, Torak, 24-Jun-07 10:33 PM, #27
          Reply RE: I hear you, Thrakburzug, 26-Jun-07 12:53 PM, #32
          Reply RE: I hear you, Torak, 27-Jun-07 10:31 PM, #34
               Reply Your posts are almost not worth reading., vargal, 27-Jun-07 11:16 PM, #35
                    Reply RE: Your posts are almost not worth reading., Gromkonk, 28-Jun-07 05:18 AM, #40
          Reply As Enarn's #1 Lackey..., Aodh, 26-Jun-07 06:55 PM, #33
          Reply Khar, Kastellyn, 29-Jun-07 12:23 PM, #56
          Reply RE: I hear you, Karel, 04-Jul-07 01:32 AM, #69
     Reply RE: Sleeks have been an endless source of frustration, incognito, 24-Jun-07 03:49 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Sleeks have been an endless source of frustration, Eskelian, 28-Jun-07 12:20 AM, #37
     Reply RE: A little spoon for the newbies, Rade, 29-Jul-07 03:55 PM, #70
     Reply and here it is., Odrirg, 22-Jun-07 07:35 AM, #4
     Reply I couldn't have said it better myself. nt, Vladamir, 22-Jun-07 07:42 AM, #5
     Reply Sleek Wand Finding, Twist, 22-Jun-07 08:36 AM, #7
     Reply Nepenthe-ism must be contagious. ~, _Magus_, 22-Jun-07 06:09 PM, #19
     Reply Yup. Tedium is so 1994., Valkenar, 22-Jun-07 10:31 AM, #8
     Reply RE: Yup. Tedium is so 1994., Isildur, 22-Jun-07 02:34 PM, #14
          Reply I don't have to play mages, Valkenar, 22-Jun-07 04:04 PM, #16
     Reply RE: and here it is., Zulghinlour, 22-Jun-07 02:12 PM, #13
          Reply Quick question, _Magus_, 23-Jun-07 07:15 PM, #22
          Reply RE: Quick question, Zulghinlour, 23-Jun-07 11:00 PM, #23
          Reply RE: and here it is., Sandello, 25-Jun-07 03:09 PM, #31
     Reply What I don't like., Vladamir, 22-Jun-07 07:52 AM, #6
          Reply A few points/opinions, Gromkonk, 22-Jun-07 10:40 AM, #9
               Reply RE: A few points/opinions, Kastellyn, 22-Jun-07 11:07 AM, #10
               Reply An idea, Valkenar, 22-Jun-07 12:16 PM, #12
                    Reply RE: An idea, Isildur, 22-Jun-07 02:37 PM, #15
                         Reply Yeah!, Gromkonk, 22-Jun-07 05:41 PM, #18
                              Reply I like these ideas a lot., Vladamir, 23-Jun-07 11:44 AM, #21
                                   Reply RE: I like these ideas a lot., Eskelian, 28-Jun-07 12:29 AM, #38
                                        Reply Eh., Daevryn, 28-Jun-07 12:50 AM, #39
                                             Reply So which is this?, Valkenar, 28-Jun-07 10:38 AM, #41
                                                  Reply You don't get it., vargal, 28-Jun-07 11:47 AM, #42
                                                  Reply RE: You don't get it., Eskelian, 28-Jun-07 02:44 PM, #44
                                                       Reply Kharia had one aura wand that I knew of..., Twist, 28-Jun-07 03:48 PM, #47
                                                            Reply No offense (+vargal response), Valkenar, 28-Jun-07 04:26 PM, #49
                                                            Reply RE: Kharia had one aura wand that I knew of..., Eskelian, 29-Jun-07 10:33 AM, #52
                                                                 Reply Keep in mind that 2/1 wasn't a ratio..., Twist, 29-Jun-07 11:37 AM, #53
                                                                 Reply RE: Keep in mind that 2/1 wasn't a ratio..., Eskelian, 29-Jun-07 01:21 PM, #59
                                                                 Reply RE: Kharia had one aura wand that I knew of..., Adhelard, 29-Jun-07 12:10 PM, #55
                                                                      Reply Fine, replace Hunsobo with "Any Village Berserker". n/..., Eskelian, 29-Jun-07 01:15 PM, #58
                                                                      Reply Well, I disagree, Valkenar, 29-Jun-07 03:54 PM #60
                                                                           Reply RE: Well, I disagree, Daevryn, 29-Jun-07 04:32 PM, #61
                                                                                Reply RE: Well, I disagree, Eskelian, 29-Jun-07 04:42 PM, #62
                                                                                     Reply RE: Well, I disagree, Daevryn, 29-Jun-07 07:32 PM, #63
                                                                                     Reply RE: Well, I disagree, Torak, 29-Jun-07 09:26 PM, #64
                                                                                     Reply RE: Well, I disagree, Daevryn, 29-Jun-07 10:55 PM, #65
                                                                                     Reply But, there I'm already getting off the point..., Daevryn, 29-Jun-07 10:59 PM, #66
                                                                                     Reply That's true, Valkenar, 30-Jun-07 12:55 PM, #67
                                                                                     Reply RE: Well, I disagree, Eskelian, 02-Jul-07 12:06 PM, #68
                                                  Reply RE: So which is this?, Daevryn, 28-Jun-07 02:41 PM, #43
                                                       Reply RE: So which is this?, Eskelian, 28-Jun-07 02:51 PM, #45
                                                       Reply RE: So which is this?, Daevryn, 28-Jun-07 03:07 PM, #46
                                                            Reply RE: So which is this?, Eskelian, 29-Jun-07 10:22 AM, #51
                                                                 Reply I endorse this post. n/t, Sandello, 29-Jun-07 12:02 PM, #54
                                                       Reply Some feeback, Valkenar, 28-Jun-07 04:11 PM, #48
                                                       Reply oops, Valkenar, 28-Jun-07 10:37 PM, #50
                                                       Reply Suggestion for an addition to the current system., Sandello, 29-Jun-07 12:42 PM, #57
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