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DwoggurdSat 24-Jun-06 07:51 AM
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#13604, "Some thoughts"


          

Speaking for myself, it amounts, essentially, to a desire to play the game like anyone else and be reasonably left alone about it.

There is nothing wrong with immortals wanting to play the game.
But what differs immortals from mortal players? You may notice that they wish to "be reasonably left alone", while mortals don't really care about anonymity ( after a character dies ).
You've listed some reasons and they are valid.
But they are symptomes. The reason is "secrecy" and how CF is designed around it.

I don't want to deal with any of that ####. I just want to play the ####ing game. To compete, win, and lose like anyone else.

The price of being an implementor in a game that evolves around "secrecy" is that you can't really compete, win and lose like anyone else.
People on staff have big advantage. For example, the wand system.
Every immortal with the "snoop" command may easily find many wand sources just by snooping skilled mages even if they don't really were looking for wands. You don't even have to be an implementor who places those wands.
To make a fair competition immortals would have to put big restrictions on themselves ( like not wearing uber eq, not using wands, not snooping other imperials if they play imperials themselves so they wouldn't accidentally run into a conspiracy against them ). It is not a fun way to play the game and I'm not one who would demand that from immortals.

The only way to solve that problem is to reduce secrecy as much as possible and thus create fair competition.
I've heard from immstaff that mystery and secrecy it is what makes the game long-living. But there are many other games that don't rely on mystery and still are fun to play.
Chess, poker, football. Hell, a lot of people ( many more than CF playerbase ) still play Starcraft and Quake ( almost for 10 years already ). So there are ways around. Secrecy is not necessary to make a great game. Actually it may attract some players and turn away other players. I know several CFers who don't play CF anymore and one of reasons why they don't want to start again is that they are far behind and don't know new areas/wands/etc nor they want to reexplore CF from scratch ( or don't have time to do that ).

I don't believe that CF will start to change and reduce secrecy as much as possible ( at least as long as Valg rules ) though I, personally, don't think that exact skill/spell description, full identify of tems ( except, perhaps, quest ones ) would kill the game. CF is much more than that. For example, there are many RPG games where you can obtain a lot game mechanics info from manuals ( or web ) and they are still very good games.

You just have to understand that as long as you keep that level of secrecy in CF immortals will have big advantage in competition and accept that. The only thing you can do about it is not pushing that advantage hard and put some sort of restrictions on themselves if you aim for "fair" competition. Also in order to avoid jealous players immortals would want to stay anonymous. Mwahahaa.
In "opened" games implementors usually have a lot less reasons to stay anonymous, as they can't really be accused in using "unfair" advantage.

Also, in case of Cabdru, anonymity wasn't really needed
The playerbase was more positive about him, than negative. There always will be bad apples but you can't make everyone happy.

  

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HOT Locked TopicAnonymity [View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Reply Thread locked., Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
Reply RE: Arolin and bugs:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Reply Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
Reply RE: Anonymity, Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
Reply RE: Role contest:, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
Reply He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~, Aodh, 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
Reply I am not sure I understand your post., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
Reply No need to be difficult, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
Reply RE: Unsolicited input., Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
     Reply you are ignoring the "meat" of my post, jasmin, 31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
Reply RE: Role contest:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Reply Why delete my post?, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
     Reply RE: Why delete my post?, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Reply Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:, Valguarnera, 31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Reply Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
     Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
          Reply RE: Dead horses., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
               Reply RE: Dead horses., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
                    Reply Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
                         Reply RE: Found it., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
                              Reply RE: Found it., Vladamir, 31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
Reply RE: Anonymity, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
     Reply Just One Question, ORB, 31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Reply Then vs Now, Rade, 29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
     Reply Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
     Reply RE: Not really, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
          Reply I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Larcat, 30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
          Reply RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
          Reply IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
                         Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Nightgaunt_, 31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Kastellyn, 31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
                    Reply i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest, laxman, 31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
               Reply Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?, Nightshade, 30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
                    Reply Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Tac, 31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
                         Reply RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about...., Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
                              Reply I still don't think it would fly..., Tac, 31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
               Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Conclave (Anonymous), 31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
                    Reply RE: IC Information Sharing, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
     Reply RE: Not really, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
     Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
          Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
               Reply RE: Then vs Now, Rade, 30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
                    Reply RE: Then vs Now, Daevryn, 31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
Reply RE: Anonymity, HammerSong, 26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Reply Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?, Abthalok, 25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
Reply RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac..., nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
     Reply um...?, Odrirg, 28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
          Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
               Reply RE: um...?, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
                    Reply RE: um...?, Sandello, 28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
                    Reply I wish I knew that had changed, A2, 30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
Reply RE: Anonymity, Gaenlin, 25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Reply Some thoughts, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 07:51 AM #58
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 11:08 AM, #59
Reply I find this quite an amazing line to take, incognito, 24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
Reply RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Reply Answers, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
Reply To Incog as well, sort of, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:01 PM, #62
Reply Hehe, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
     Reply RE: Hehe, Amaranthe, 24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
          Reply Don't worry, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
          Reply RE: Hehe, Isildur, 27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
Reply RE: Answers, nepenthe, 24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
     Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Eskelian, 26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Valguarnera, 24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Reply Hrm, Dwoggurd, 24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
Reply RE: Hrm, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
     Reply I agree with this, nebel, 25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
          Reply RE: I agree with this, terinth, 27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
               Reply Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage, DurNominator, 28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
Reply RE: Some thoughts, Kamuela_, 24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Reply Irony, Cenatar_, 25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
     Reply RE: Irony, nepenthe, 25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
     Reply RE: Irony, Valguarnera, 25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
          Reply Ouch..., Minyar, 27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
          Reply Hello valg, Cenatar_, 28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
               Reply RE: Hello valg, nepenthe, 28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Reply Good post., Thinhallen, 25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
Reply What I don't understand about the people complaining..., KoeKhaos, 24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
Reply I knew it was you when..., (NOT Pro), 24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
Reply An opinion from both sides of the fence., Farigno, 23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
Reply RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence., nepenthe, 23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Reply Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t, Cytherea, 24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
Reply I don't agree with a major point here, incognito, 24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Reply Respect for stepping up to the plate., Caleban, 23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Reply Blah, N b M, 22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
Reply In a void of information...., Tac, 22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
Reply RE: Anonymity, Shapa, 22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
Reply I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., Abernyte, 22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
Reply RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing...., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
     Reply RE: :(, shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
          Reply RE: :(, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
               Reply Well, think about it this way..., shamanman, 22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
Reply I'm sorry it came out, A2, 22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Eskelian, 22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Reply Logs, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Reply Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Reply Good and bad for you within! TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
     Reply Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Lhydia, 23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
          Reply RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?, Sebeok, 23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
     Reply My View, Khasotholas, 27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
Reply The problem is, coincedences DO happen, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Reply Yup., Valguarnera, 22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
     Reply RE: Yup., nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
          Reply That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t..., Trilo, 23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
Reply RE: Here is my take on it, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
     Reply Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
     Reply RE: Thanks, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Thanks, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Here is my take on it, GoodLuckDice, 23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Reply Man... TXT, Larcat, 22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Reply Sentiments I Respect, wretchedmongrel, 22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
Reply RE: Anonymity, Cenatar_, 22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
Reply So what you are saying is..., Lightmage, 22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
Reply RE: Anonymity, Isildur, 22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
Reply RE: Anonymity, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Anonymity, Xaannix, 22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Reply Wow - great post., Sebeok, 22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Reply Dude, check this out, eternal_elf, 22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
Reply RE: Dude, check this out, nepenthe, 22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
     Reply RE: Dude, check this out, valrow22, 22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
     Reply You are such a tease :(. n/t, eternal_elf, 23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
Reply RE: Anonymity, the shark, 22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
Reply It's said that this is necessary, Theerkla, 22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
     Reply I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen..., Tac, 22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
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