Dwoggurd | Sat 24-Jun-06 07:51 AM |
Member since 20th Jan 2004
668 posts
| |
|
#13604, "Some thoughts"
|
Speaking for myself, it amounts, essentially, to a desire to play the game like anyone else and be reasonably left alone about it.
There is nothing wrong with immortals wanting to play the game. But what differs immortals from mortal players? You may notice that they wish to "be reasonably left alone", while mortals don't really care about anonymity ( after a character dies ). You've listed some reasons and they are valid. But they are symptomes. The reason is "secrecy" and how CF is designed around it.
I don't want to deal with any of that ####. I just want to play the ####ing game. To compete, win, and lose like anyone else.
The price of being an implementor in a game that evolves around "secrecy" is that you can't really compete, win and lose like anyone else. People on staff have big advantage. For example, the wand system. Every immortal with the "snoop" command may easily find many wand sources just by snooping skilled mages even if they don't really were looking for wands. You don't even have to be an implementor who places those wands. To make a fair competition immortals would have to put big restrictions on themselves ( like not wearing uber eq, not using wands, not snooping other imperials if they play imperials themselves so they wouldn't accidentally run into a conspiracy against them ). It is not a fun way to play the game and I'm not one who would demand that from immortals.
The only way to solve that problem is to reduce secrecy as much as possible and thus create fair competition. I've heard from immstaff that mystery and secrecy it is what makes the game long-living. But there are many other games that don't rely on mystery and still are fun to play. Chess, poker, football. Hell, a lot of people ( many more than CF playerbase ) still play Starcraft and Quake ( almost for 10 years already ). So there are ways around. Secrecy is not necessary to make a great game. Actually it may attract some players and turn away other players. I know several CFers who don't play CF anymore and one of reasons why they don't want to start again is that they are far behind and don't know new areas/wands/etc nor they want to reexplore CF from scratch ( or don't have time to do that ).
I don't believe that CF will start to change and reduce secrecy as much as possible ( at least as long as Valg rules ) though I, personally, don't think that exact skill/spell description, full identify of tems ( except, perhaps, quest ones ) would kill the game. CF is much more than that. For example, there are many RPG games where you can obtain a lot game mechanics info from manuals ( or web ) and they are still very good games.
You just have to understand that as long as you keep that level of secrecy in CF immortals will have big advantage in competition and accept that. The only thing you can do about it is not pushing that advantage hard and put some sort of restrictions on themselves if you aim for "fair" competition. Also in order to avoid jealous players immortals would want to stay anonymous. Mwahahaa. In "opened" games implementors usually have a lot less reasons to stay anonymous, as they can't really be accused in using "unfair" advantage.
Also, in case of Cabdru, anonymity wasn't really needed The playerbase was more positive about him, than negative. There always will be bad apples but you can't make everyone happy.
|
|
|
Anonymity
[View all] , nepenthe, Tue 31-Jul-07 02:26 PM
Thread locked.,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:28 PM, #148
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #132
RE: Arolin and bugs:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 03:03 PM, #134
Arolin was a cheating #### and I'm glad he's gone.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:53 PM, #140
RE: Anonymity,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 10:29 AM, #121
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 11:13 AM, #122
RE: Role contest:,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:40 PM, #123
He clearly said he wasn't addressing other points.~,
Aodh,
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #125
I am not sure I understand your post.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:49 PM, #126
No need to be difficult,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 12:58 PM, #127
RE: Unsolicited input.,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 01:22 PM, #128
you are ignoring the "meat" of my post,
jasmin,
31-Jul-07 02:46 PM, #133
RE: Role contest:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 01:39 PM, #129
Why delete my post?,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 02:33 PM, #130
RE: Why delete my post?,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 02:42 PM, #131
RE: Why delete my post?,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:35 PM, #136
Dear Deathweaver/Shadowmaster/Conclave/etc:,
Valguarnera,
31-Jul-07 06:24 PM, #146
Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:28 PM, #135
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:42 PM, #138
RE: Dead horses.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 03:51 PM, #139
RE: Dead horses.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:04 PM, #142
Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 04:36 PM, #143
RE: Found it.,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 04:46 PM, #144
RE: Found it.,
Vladamir,
31-Jul-07 05:05 PM, #145
RE: Anonymity,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:59 PM, #141
Just One Question,
ORB,
31-Jul-07 06:25 PM, #147
Then vs Now,
Rade,
29-Jul-07 03:02 PM, #94
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 08:48 AM, #96
Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 03:05 PM, #97
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 03:38 PM, #98
RE: Not really,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:03 PM, #99
I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Larcat,
30-Jul-07 04:18 PM, #100
RE: I will do Nep's heavy lifting here for him txt,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:38 PM, #101
IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
30-Jul-07 04:44 PM, #102
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
30-Jul-07 04:59 PM, #103
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #109
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 02:10 AM, #113
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:57 AM, #117
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Nightgaunt_,
31-Jul-07 10:15 AM, #120
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Kastellyn,
31-Jul-07 12:09 AM, #112
i remember rank 25 valguarnera showing me that quest,
laxman,
31-Jul-07 06:50 AM, #114
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:43 PM, #104
Are you capable of not being an ass in how you share?,
Nightshade,
30-Jul-07 08:04 PM, #106
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:19 PM, #107
Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 08:36 AM, #115
RE: Here's a character idea I was thinking about....,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 09:02 AM, #118
I still don't think it would fly...,
Tac,
31-Jul-07 09:41 AM, #119
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Conclave (Anonymous),
31-Jul-07 12:37 PM, #124
RE: IC Information Sharing,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 03:36 PM, #137
RE: Not really,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:27 PM, #110
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 07:26 PM, #105
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
30-Jul-07 09:22 PM, #108
RE: Then vs Now,
Rade,
30-Jul-07 11:13 PM, #111
RE: Then vs Now,
Daevryn,
31-Jul-07 08:55 AM, #116
RE: Anonymity,
HammerSong,
26-Jun-06 01:30 PM, #82
Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first place?,
Abthalok,
25-Jun-06 03:16 PM, #77
RE: Then why reveal you played cadbru in the first plac...,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 04:03 PM, #79
um...?,
Odrirg,
28-Jun-06 02:22 AM, #88
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 01:19 PM, #89
RE: um...?,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 05:53 PM, #92
RE: um...?,
Sandello,
28-Jun-06 06:16 PM, #93
I wish I knew that had changed,
A2,
30-Jul-07 08:45 AM, #95
RE: Anonymity,
Gaenlin,
25-Jun-06 01:07 PM, #75
Some thoughts,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 07:51 AM #58
RE: Some thoughts,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 11:08 AM, #59
I find this quite an amazing line to take,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 11:35 AM, #60
RE: I find this quite an amazing line to take,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #66
Answers,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 12:35 PM, #61
To Incog as well, sort of,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:01 PM, #62
Hehe,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #63
RE: Hehe,
Amaranthe,
24-Jun-06 02:39 PM, #64
Don't worry,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 02:42 PM, #65
RE: Hehe,
Isildur,
27-Jun-06 04:21 PM, #85
RE: Answers,
nepenthe,
24-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #67
Re,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #68
RE: Some thoughts,
Eskelian,
26-Jun-06 08:12 AM, #81
RE: Some thoughts,
Valguarnera,
24-Jun-06 03:39 PM, #69
Hrm,
Dwoggurd,
24-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #70
RE: Hrm,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 01:05 AM, #72
I agree with this,
nebel,
25-Jun-06 11:27 AM, #74
RE: I agree with this,
terinth,
27-Jun-06 10:59 PM, #86
Orcs are creatures filled with hatred violent rage,
DurNominator,
28-Jun-06 01:34 AM, #87
RE: Some thoughts,
Kamuela_,
24-Jun-06 10:07 PM, #71
Irony,
Cenatar_,
25-Jun-06 02:40 PM, #76
RE: Irony,
nepenthe,
25-Jun-06 03:54 PM, #78
RE: Irony,
Valguarnera,
25-Jun-06 04:09 PM, #80
Ouch...,
Minyar,
27-Jun-06 03:43 PM, #84
Hello valg,
Cenatar_,
28-Jun-06 02:24 PM, #90
RE: Hello valg,
nepenthe,
28-Jun-06 04:44 PM, #91
Good post.,
Thinhallen,
25-Jun-06 06:54 AM, #73
What I don't understand about the people complaining...,
KoeKhaos,
24-Jun-06 05:23 AM, #57
I knew it was you when...,
(NOT Pro),
24-Jun-06 12:25 AM, #54
An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
Farigno,
23-Jun-06 10:30 PM, #52
RE: An opinion from both sides of the fence.,
nepenthe,
23-Jun-06 11:06 PM, #53
Thank you for expressing the same thoughts I had. n/t,
Cytherea,
24-Jun-06 12:49 AM, #55
I don't agree with a major point here,
incognito,
24-Jun-06 03:07 AM, #56
Respect for stepping up to the plate.,
Caleban,
23-Jun-06 02:16 AM, #47
Blah,
N b M,
22-Jun-06 06:39 PM, #45
In a void of information....,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 04:14 PM, #39
RE: Anonymity,
Shapa,
22-Jun-06 03:19 PM, #29
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:24 PM, #31
I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
Abernyte,
22-Jun-06 03:14 PM, #27
RE: I understand your reasons but I appreciate knowing....,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:21 PM, #30
RE: :(,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:27 PM, #32
RE: :(,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:30 PM, #34
Well, think about it this way...,
shamanman,
22-Jun-06 03:38 PM, #36
I'm sorry it came out,
A2,
22-Jun-06 02:53 PM, #22
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 02:47 PM, #21
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:31 PM, #35
RE: Anonymity,
Eskelian,
22-Jun-06 04:08 PM, #37
RE: Anonymity,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 04:19 PM, #40
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:30 PM, #43
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:54 PM, #44
Logs,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:20 PM, #15
Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:13 PM, #13
RE: Here is my take on it,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 02:28 PM, #16
Good and bad for you within! TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:33 PM, #17
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:38 PM, #18
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 02:37 PM, #19
RE: Here is my take on it,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:02 PM, #23
RE: Here is my take on it,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 03:15 PM, #28
Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Lhydia,
23-Jun-06 06:16 AM, #48
RE: Multikills with poisoned items after ghost?,
Sebeok,
23-Jun-06 08:47 AM, #49
My View,
Khasotholas,
27-Jun-06 03:08 PM, #83
The problem is, coincedences DO happen,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 02:45 PM, #20
Yup.,
Valguarnera,
22-Jun-06 03:09 PM, #25
RE: Yup.,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:57 PM, #38
That actually makes me feel a lot better about this. (t...,
Trilo,
23-Jun-06 06:27 PM, #51
RE: Here is my take on it,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:03 PM, #24
Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 03:12 PM, #26
RE: Thanks,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 03:28 PM, #33
RE: Thanks,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 05:31 PM, #42
RE: Here is my take on it,
GoodLuckDice,
23-Jun-06 01:50 AM, #46
Man... TXT,
Larcat,
22-Jun-06 02:04 PM, #12
Sentiments I Respect,
wretchedmongrel,
22-Jun-06 01:50 PM, #10
RE: Anonymity,
Cenatar_,
22-Jun-06 01:26 PM, #8
So what you are saying is...,
Lightmage,
22-Jun-06 01:23 PM, #7
RE: Anonymity,
Isildur,
22-Jun-06 01:22 PM, #6
RE: Anonymity,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:54 PM, #11
RE: Anonymity,
Xaannix,
22-Jun-06 02:16 PM, #14
Wow - great post.,
Sebeok,
22-Jun-06 01:18 PM, #5
Dude, check this out,
eternal_elf,
22-Jun-06 01:12 PM, #4
RE: Dude, check this out,
nepenthe,
22-Jun-06 01:43 PM, #9
RE: Dude, check this out,
valrow22,
22-Jun-06 04:34 PM, #41
You are such a tease :(. n/t,
eternal_elf,
23-Jun-06 11:11 AM, #50
RE: Anonymity,
the shark,
22-Jun-06 01:08 PM, #2
It's said that this is necessary,
Theerkla,
22-Jun-06 01:01 PM, #1
I would just like to say I very strongly second the sen...,
Tac,
22-Jun-06 01:11 PM, #3
| |
|