Isildur | Sun 10-Dec-06 11:41 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#786, "RE: Psst. They are."
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>I admit I'm having trouble.
ca 1900 immigrants were citizens, yet still represented "free" labor, since the level of public entitlements at the time was essentially nil. Current illegal immigrants fill a similar niche, but that wouldn't remain true if they were suddenly granted citizenship, or if the U.S. were to suddenly adopt a policy of ulimited legal immigration from Mexico.
Consider the working poor (citizens) who receive welfare, live in subsidized housing, etc. Say there are 30 million such people. Their net per-capita contribution to the tax base, after you subtract out any entitlements they receive, is either negative, or if positive is substantially smaller than middle and upper-class citizens. I'm fine with that. But let's say that instead of 30 million there were all of a sudden 60 million, with a high unemployment ratio to boot. It would be a serious strain on the economy.
There are two main reasons we have "only" 10-20 million illegal immigrants (instead of many more):
1. That's all the job market will support, and since illegal immigrants are by definition not citizens (and thus not able to take advantage of the entitlements that otherwise be available to them) it's not feasible for them to remain (or come) here without a job.
2. It sucks being illegal and having to live as a fugitive 24/7.
Take away those two disincentives and I'm convinced the population of low-income low-education legal immigrants from Mexico would skyrocket far past the current population of illegals.
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Vote. nt
[View all] , Nivek1, Tue 07-Nov-06 05:23 PM
Thread locked due to bloat.,
Valguarnera,
13-Dec-06 03:14 PM, #94
No. Why? Its pointless. n/t,
Eskelian,
11-Nov-06 10:44 AM, #24
That's the exact reason your party won't ever gain any ...,
DurNominator,
11-Nov-06 11:32 AM, #25
Since when do I have a party?,
Eskelian,
12-Nov-06 10:57 PM, #26
RE: Since when do I have a party?,
DurNominator,
13-Nov-06 06:50 AM, #28
Grats to Democrats for their victory.,
DurNominator,
10-Nov-06 02:08 PM, #17
Honestly, it was a beating my party needed.,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:52 PM, #20
RE: Yep.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 03:07 AM, #39
Macaca! n/t,
Grurk Muouk,
08-Nov-06 10:05 AM, #12
Yup.,
Valguarnera,
08-Nov-06 11:26 AM, #13
Thank god the Liberal media was there to make it known ...,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:45 PM, #18
Well, it's a real issue.,
Valguarnera,
10-Nov-06 05:30 PM, #22
While I'm not a big fan of racism.,
Eskelian,
12-Nov-06 11:01 PM, #27
RE: While I'm not a big fan of racism.,
Valguarnera,
13-Nov-06 09:25 AM, #29
RE: While I'm not a big fan of racism.,
Tac,
13-Nov-06 12:47 PM, #30
I did!,
Valguarnera,
08-Nov-06 09:31 AM, #11
How is it you just can't see the reality of this?,
(NOT Pro),
17-Nov-06 12:32 AM, #31
RE: How is it you just can't see the reality of this?,
Daevryn,
17-Nov-06 02:49 AM, #32
Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Valguarnera,
17-Nov-06 11:48 AM, #33
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
17-Nov-06 12:00 PM, #34
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Valguarnera,
17-Nov-06 01:25 PM, #35
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
17-Nov-06 02:32 PM, #36
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 02:47 AM, #37
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 02:58 PM, #43
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:41 PM, #47
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 11:43 PM, #52
Herein we have the reason I call people traitors.,
(NOT Pro),
21-Nov-06 01:52 AM, #53
I love America,
Tac,
21-Nov-06 09:25 AM, #55
Not only are you wrong you are correct.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:30 PM, #82
Since you lack the ability...,
Tac,
10-Dec-06 08:25 PM, #87
RE: Not only are you wrong you are correct.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:35 PM, #89
Along those lines:,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 09:07 PM, #91
RE: Herein we have the reason I call people traitors.,
Isildur,
21-Nov-06 11:24 AM, #57
Past changes.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:33 PM, #83
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 03:04 AM, #38
RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread.,
Valguarnera,
20-Nov-06 10:31 AM, #40
Where in lies your misconception of me.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 12:08 PM, #41
You poor, poor thing,
Aodh,
20-Nov-06 02:09 PM, #42
I don't think you understand the debate.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:53 PM, #50
RE: Where in lies your misconception of me.,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 03:19 PM, #44
Abramoff et al...,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:52 PM, #49
RE: Abramoff et al...,
Isildur,
20-Nov-06 11:39 PM, #51
None of the Republicans up for reelection took a hard l...,
(NOT Pro),
21-Nov-06 01:54 AM, #54
RE: None of the Republicans up for reelection took a ha...,
Isildur,
21-Nov-06 11:17 AM, #56
Colorado is a Democratic State.,
(NOT Pro),
27-Nov-06 03:07 AM, #59
What are you even basing that on?,
Daevryn,
27-Nov-06 03:47 AM, #60
He's disconnected from reality.,
Valguarnera,
27-Nov-06 10:14 AM, #61
This conversation reminds me of work...,
Wilhath,
27-Nov-06 06:54 PM, #64
So...you're trying to insinuate I'm not Zeus?,
Eskelian,
28-Nov-06 02:46 AM, #65
I based it off my memory, then I checked the official.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:07 PM, #75
RE: Colorado is a Democratic State.,
Isildur,
27-Nov-06 10:50 AM, #62
More Colorado facts!,
Valguarnera,
27-Nov-06 11:11 AM, #63
Wherein liberals don't get it.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:10 PM, #76
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Daevryn,
10-Dec-06 05:33 PM, #84
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Eskelian,
11-Dec-06 03:15 AM, #93
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 07:11 PM, #85
RE: Wherein liberals don't get it.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:45 PM, #90
Some numbers to crunch:,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 09:30 PM, #92
RE: Where in lies your misconception of me.,
Daevryn,
20-Nov-06 04:00 PM, #45
Relative to...,
Valguarnera,
20-Nov-06 05:21 PM, #46
Correction.,
(NOT Pro),
20-Nov-06 08:46 PM, #48
RE: Where in lies your misconception of me.,
DurNominator,
22-Nov-06 02:32 PM, #58
I won't speak for Pro, but....,
Pendragon_Surtr,
08-Dec-06 09:07 PM, #66
RE: I won't speak for Pro, but....,
Isildur,
09-Dec-06 10:01 AM, #67
So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the borders,
Pendragon_Surtr,
09-Dec-06 03:36 PM, #68
Psst. They are.,
Valguarnera,
09-Dec-06 04:37 PM, #69
RE: Psst. They are.,
Isildur,
09-Dec-06 06:57 PM, #71
RE: Psst. They are.,
Valguarnera,
10-Dec-06 10:00 AM, #73
RE: Psst. They are.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 11:41 AM #74
Which is why I'm boggled by you wanting more here legal...,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:18 PM, #79
RE: Which is why I'm boggled by you wanting more here l...,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:29 PM, #88
RE: Psst. They are.,
Pendragon_Surtr,
09-Dec-06 08:16 PM, #72
A huge contributor to the problem of "Jobs we don't wan...,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:27 PM, #81
RE: Psst. They are.,
Isildur,
10-Dec-06 08:22 PM, #86
These peopl are invaders.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:16 PM, #78
RE: So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the bord...,
Isildur,
09-Dec-06 06:49 PM, #70
RE: So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the bord...,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:24 PM, #80
We don't want or need everyone to come here.,
(NOT Pro),
10-Dec-06 01:12 PM, #77
Vote third party. nt,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 05:38 PM, #1
From my conservative standpoint...,
Nivek1,
07-Nov-06 06:16 PM, #2
From my intelligent viewpoint, some shouldn't vote....,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 06:38 PM, #3
I choose not to vote... and I'll tell you why...,
Saith,
07-Nov-06 06:44 PM, #4
You have a good point,
Drag0nSt0rm,
07-Nov-06 06:59 PM, #5
Is bad point,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 07:04 PM, #7
One thing that makes me laugh, but cry inside at the sa...,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:55 PM, #21
I've been there...,
Tac,
07-Nov-06 07:03 PM, #6
RE: I've been there...,
Saith,
08-Nov-06 12:51 AM, #8
How sad,
DurNominator,
08-Nov-06 04:14 AM, #9
You'll get no argument from me...,
Tac,
08-Nov-06 09:14 AM, #10
RE: How sad,
Rho,
09-Nov-06 05:21 PM, #16
So...,
Minyar,
10-Nov-06 04:49 PM, #19
Your going to elect only one president,
DurNominator,
11-Nov-06 12:49 AM, #23
here's where you're wrong,
Isildur,
08-Nov-06 06:06 PM, #14
Good idea... didn't think about that...nt,
Saith,
08-Nov-06 09:36 PM, #15
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