Valguarnera | Mon 18-Sep-06 12:27 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#450, "RE: Got around to reading your study."
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I'm just curious if there's any science behind this at all, because frankly the numbers look like bunk to me.
"Bunk" that's convinced every major medical organization, US and otherwise, that secondhand smoke is a problem. You're making an extraordinary claim. Please provide extraordinary evidence. There is little burden of proof on me, given that I'm making a claim that is supported with such unanimity by organizations with such clout.
You're telling me with the vast amount of people in this country daily exposed to second hand smoke there's a whopping 3400 lung cancer deaths? That's incredibly low...
Not really. Cervical cancer kills about 3,900 people per year in the US, yet the vaccine for HPV was (correctly) heralded as huge news earlier this year, and will likely become mandatory for young women (starting in Michigan, but likely to go on nationwide), barring unexpected success from the resistance from the religious right. 3,400 deaths above baseline, from a preventable cause, is plenty enough to involve the government.
The 20,000+ figure includes all deaths above baseline (heart disease, etc.), and there's only about 10-15 things that kill more than 20,000 people per year. (For comparison, America sees 18,000 homicides and 14,000 HIV deaths per year.) And very few of them are easily classified as preventable deaths.
valguarnera@carrionfields.com
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What is everyone's pet peeve?
[View all] , Shadowmaster, Fri 15-Sep-06 07:03 AM
My short list.,
Quixotic,
18-Sep-06 08:55 PM, #91
That's a good one.,
Eskelian,
19-Sep-06 05:10 AM, #93
RE: WalMart,
Valguarnera,
19-Sep-06 09:01 AM, #94
RE: WalMart,
Eskelian,
19-Sep-06 09:21 PM, #95
Do you mean white trash? nt,
Tac,
19-Sep-06 10:39 PM, #96
RE: Do you mean white trash? nt,
Eskelian,
20-Sep-06 10:32 AM, #97
Drama...,
Saith,
16-Sep-06 01:06 PM, #46
Lumps in my Cream of Wheat.,
Eshval,
14-Sep-06 09:41 PM, #21
I'm an irritable guy, I guess..,
Java,
14-Sep-06 09:43 PM, #20
that was great!...,
Saith,
16-Sep-06 01:00 PM, #45
My List,
Ysaloerye,
14-Sep-06 09:12 PM, #19
RE: My List,
Isildur,
15-Sep-06 12:16 AM, #23
Agree with pretty much all of Ysaloeryes and that one I...,
Abernyte,
15-Sep-06 07:48 AM, #33
rewriting the same code over and over an over and over,
TheDude,
14-Sep-06 12:39 PM, #18
Yeah, I revise my statement. My pet peeve is Sharepoint...,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 04:33 AM, #28
If it was easy to get "good" specs life would be too ea...,
Mylinos,
15-Sep-06 10:27 AM, #34
bleh, sorry the attachment doesn't seem to open right. ...,
Mylinos,
15-Sep-06 10:15 AM, #35
Smoking in public,
DurNominator,
13-Sep-06 02:32 PM, #6
I hate other people breathing my air.,
Tac,
13-Sep-06 03:43 PM, #7
RE: I hate other people breathing my air.,
Valkenar,
13-Sep-06 05:10 PM, #9
RE: I hate other people breathing my air.,
Tac,
13-Sep-06 05:46 PM, #10
RE: I hate other people breathing my air.,
Valkenar,
13-Sep-06 06:19 PM, #31
Well said,
DurNominator,
13-Sep-06 11:41 PM, #13
RE: Well said,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 04:56 AM, #29
RE: Well said,
DurNominator,
16-Sep-06 04:54 AM, #42
Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Valguarnera,
13-Sep-06 08:33 PM, #12
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Tac,
14-Sep-06 09:11 AM, #15
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Valguarnera,
14-Sep-06 10:33 AM, #16
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Sandello,
14-Sep-06 11:28 PM, #22
Remember that study,,
Marcus_,
15-Sep-06 03:33 AM, #24
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 04:25 AM, #27
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Valguarnera,
15-Sep-06 07:02 AM, #30
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 05:53 PM, #37
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Isildur,
15-Sep-06 01:10 PM, #36
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 06:39 PM, #39
Better link,
nebel,
16-Sep-06 02:53 AM, #41
Here's the thing...,
TheLastMohican,
16-Sep-06 12:02 PM, #44
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
sksskn,
19-Sep-06 03:07 AM, #92
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 04:21 AM, #26
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Valguarnera,
15-Sep-06 07:22 AM, #32
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 06:19 PM, #38
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Valguarnera,
15-Sep-06 10:41 PM, #40
RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 06:15 AM, #50
RE: Faith-based smoking safety:,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 08:34 AM, #51
That contradicts what you just said.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 09:14 AM, #53
RE: That contradicts what you just said.,
nepenthe,
18-Sep-06 10:17 AM, #60
RE: That contradicts what you just said.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:08 PM, #65
Incorrect, again.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 01:26 PM, #69
RE: Incorrect, again.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:38 PM, #71
To be fair.,
Shadowmaster,
18-Sep-06 01:53 PM, #77
RE: To be fair.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:54 PM, #78
My thoughts on this smoking thing.,
Shadowmaster,
18-Sep-06 02:09 PM, #80
RE: My thoughts on this smoking thing.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 02:29 PM, #82
Is your job specifically air quality?,
Shadowmaster,
18-Sep-06 01:52 PM, #75
Job-related, yes.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 02:13 PM, #81
RE: Job-related, yes.,
Isildur,
18-Sep-06 03:59 PM, #85
RE: That contradicts what you just said.,
nepenthe,
18-Sep-06 04:46 PM, #87
RE: That contradicts what you just said.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 07:28 PM, #89
25,000 +,
Tac,
18-Sep-06 09:30 AM, #55
RE: 25,000 +,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 09:35 AM, #56
RE: 25,000 +,
Tac,
18-Sep-06 09:37 AM, #57
RE: 25,000 +,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 09:45 AM, #59
This is false.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 12:54 PM, #64
RE: This is false.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:10 PM, #66
Not a small number.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 01:31 PM, #70
Stick with one set of stats.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:52 PM, #76
Some numbers and sources.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 12:49 PM, #63
More comprehensive link,
nebel,
18-Sep-06 01:46 PM, #72
Danke.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 01:51 PM, #74
Got around to reading your study.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 09:41 AM, #58
RE: Got around to reading your study.,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 12:27 PM #62
RE: Got around to reading your study.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:11 PM, #67
One example, of many:,
Valguarnera,
18-Sep-06 01:47 PM, #73
RE: One example, of many:,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 02:01 PM, #79
RE: I hate other people breathing my air.,
Amaranthe,
17-Sep-06 10:36 AM, #47
RE: I hate other people breathing my air.,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 09:22 AM, #54
Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-06 10:55 AM, #61
RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 01:27 PM, #68
RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-06 02:52 PM, #83
RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 03:52 PM, #84
RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-06 04:22 PM, #86
RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 07:14 PM, #88
RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate,
Valkenar,
18-Sep-06 08:24 PM, #90
Pet Peeves,
Kastellyn,
14-Sep-06 11:52 AM, #17
RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?,
Razoul,
12-Sep-06 06:50 PM, #5
RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?,
Zulghinlour,
13-Sep-06 04:59 PM, #8
RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?,
Razoul,
13-Sep-06 06:51 PM, #11
RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?,
Zulghinlour,
14-Sep-06 12:46 AM, #14
RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?,
Isildur,
11-Sep-06 03:18 PM, #1
RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?,
Eskelian,
12-Sep-06 12:43 AM, #2
Early morning.. good time for some venting,
Marcus_,
12-Sep-06 01:44 AM, #3
Snow and you.,
Eskelian,
15-Sep-06 04:38 AM, #25
Don't you have winter tires in the US? It's enforced by...,
Marcus_,
16-Sep-06 11:33 AM, #43
RE: Don't you have winter tires in the US? It's enforce...,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-06 09:03 AM, #52
Shakira For You,
Razoul,
17-Sep-06 05:42 PM, #48
I love Shakira.,
Crysseara,
17-Sep-06 06:43 PM, #49
Exit lane shenanigans,
nebel,
12-Sep-06 02:41 AM, #4
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