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ValguarneraMon 18-Sep-06 12:27 PM
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#450, "RE: Got around to reading your study."


          

I'm just curious if there's any science behind this at all, because frankly the numbers look like bunk to me.

"Bunk" that's convinced every major medical organization, US and otherwise, that secondhand smoke is a problem. You're making an extraordinary claim. Please provide extraordinary evidence. There is little burden of proof on me, given that I'm making a claim that is supported with such unanimity by organizations with such clout.

You're telling me with the vast amount of people in this country daily exposed to second hand smoke there's a whopping 3400 lung cancer deaths? That's incredibly low...

Not really. Cervical cancer kills about 3,900 people per year in the US, yet the vaccine for HPV was (correctly) heralded as huge news earlier this year, and will likely become mandatory for young women (starting in Michigan, but likely to go on nationwide), barring unexpected success from the resistance from the religious right. 3,400 deaths above baseline, from a preventable cause, is plenty enough to involve the government.

The 20,000+ figure includes all deaths above baseline (heart disease, etc.), and there's only about 10-15 things that kill more than 20,000 people per year. (For comparison, America sees 18,000 homicides and 14,000 HIV deaths per year.) And very few of them are easily classified as preventable deaths.

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HOT TopicWhat is everyone's pet peeve? [View all] , Shadowmaster, Fri 15-Sep-06 07:03 AM
Reply My short list., Quixotic, 18-Sep-06 08:55 PM, #91
Reply That's a good one., Eskelian, 19-Sep-06 05:10 AM, #93
     Reply RE: WalMart, Valguarnera, 19-Sep-06 09:01 AM, #94
          Reply RE: WalMart, Eskelian, 19-Sep-06 09:21 PM, #95
               Reply Do you mean white trash? nt, Tac, 19-Sep-06 10:39 PM, #96
                    Reply RE: Do you mean white trash? nt, Eskelian, 20-Sep-06 10:32 AM, #97
Reply Drama..., Saith, 16-Sep-06 01:06 PM, #46
Reply Lumps in my Cream of Wheat., Eshval, 14-Sep-06 09:41 PM, #21
Reply I'm an irritable guy, I guess.., Java, 14-Sep-06 09:43 PM, #20
Reply that was great!..., Saith, 16-Sep-06 01:00 PM, #45
Reply My List, Ysaloerye, 14-Sep-06 09:12 PM, #19
Reply RE: My List, Isildur, 15-Sep-06 12:16 AM, #23
     Reply Agree with pretty much all of Ysaloeryes and that one I..., Abernyte, 15-Sep-06 07:48 AM, #33
Reply rewriting the same code over and over an over and over, TheDude, 14-Sep-06 12:39 PM, #18
Reply Yeah, I revise my statement. My pet peeve is Sharepoint..., Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:33 AM, #28
Reply If it was easy to get "good" specs life would be too ea..., Mylinos, 15-Sep-06 10:27 AM, #34
     Reply bleh, sorry the attachment doesn't seem to open right. ..., Mylinos, 15-Sep-06 10:15 AM, #35
Reply Smoking in public, DurNominator, 13-Sep-06 02:32 PM, #6
Reply I hate other people breathing my air., Tac, 13-Sep-06 03:43 PM, #7
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Valkenar, 13-Sep-06 05:10 PM, #9
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Tac, 13-Sep-06 05:46 PM, #10
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Valkenar, 13-Sep-06 06:19 PM, #31
Reply Well said, DurNominator, 13-Sep-06 11:41 PM, #13
     Reply RE: Well said, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:56 AM, #29
          Reply RE: Well said, DurNominator, 16-Sep-06 04:54 AM, #42
Reply Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 13-Sep-06 08:33 PM, #12
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Tac, 14-Sep-06 09:11 AM, #15
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 14-Sep-06 10:33 AM, #16
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Sandello, 14-Sep-06 11:28 PM, #22
     Reply Remember that study,, Marcus_, 15-Sep-06 03:33 AM, #24
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:25 AM, #27
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 15-Sep-06 07:02 AM, #30
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 05:53 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Isildur, 15-Sep-06 01:10 PM, #36
          Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 06:39 PM, #39
               Reply Better link, nebel, 16-Sep-06 02:53 AM, #41
     Reply Here's the thing..., TheLastMohican, 16-Sep-06 12:02 PM, #44
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, sksskn, 19-Sep-06 03:07 AM, #92
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:21 AM, #26
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 15-Sep-06 07:22 AM, #32
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 06:19 PM, #38
          Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 15-Sep-06 10:41 PM, #40
               Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 06:15 AM, #50
                    Reply RE: Faith-based smoking safety:, Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 08:34 AM, #51
                         Reply That contradicts what you just said., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:14 AM, #53
                         Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., nepenthe, 18-Sep-06 10:17 AM, #60
                              Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:08 PM, #65
                                   Reply Incorrect, again., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:26 PM, #69
                                   Reply RE: Incorrect, again., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:38 PM, #71
                                   Reply To be fair., Shadowmaster, 18-Sep-06 01:53 PM, #77
                                        Reply RE: To be fair., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:54 PM, #78
                                             Reply My thoughts on this smoking thing., Shadowmaster, 18-Sep-06 02:09 PM, #80
                                                  Reply RE: My thoughts on this smoking thing., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 02:29 PM, #82
                                   Reply Is your job specifically air quality?, Shadowmaster, 18-Sep-06 01:52 PM, #75
                                        Reply Job-related, yes., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 02:13 PM, #81
                                             Reply RE: Job-related, yes., Isildur, 18-Sep-06 03:59 PM, #85
                                   Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., nepenthe, 18-Sep-06 04:46 PM, #87
                                        Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 07:28 PM, #89
                         Reply 25,000 +, Tac, 18-Sep-06 09:30 AM, #55
                              Reply RE: 25,000 +, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:35 AM, #56
                              Reply RE: 25,000 +, Tac, 18-Sep-06 09:37 AM, #57
                              Reply RE: 25,000 +, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:45 AM, #59
                                   Reply This is false., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 12:54 PM, #64
                                        Reply RE: This is false., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:10 PM, #66
                                             Reply Not a small number., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:31 PM, #70
                                                  Reply Stick with one set of stats., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:52 PM, #76
                              Reply Some numbers and sources., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 12:49 PM, #63
                                   Reply More comprehensive link, nebel, 18-Sep-06 01:46 PM, #72
                                        Reply Danke., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:51 PM, #74
Reply Got around to reading your study., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:41 AM, #58
     Reply RE: Got around to reading your study., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 12:27 PM #62
          Reply RE: Got around to reading your study., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:11 PM, #67
               Reply One example, of many:, Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:47 PM, #73
                    Reply RE: One example, of many:, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 02:01 PM, #79
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Amaranthe, 17-Sep-06 10:36 AM, #47
     Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:22 AM, #54
          Reply Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 10:55 AM, #61
               Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:27 PM, #68
                    Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 02:52 PM, #83
                         Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 03:52 PM, #84
                              Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 04:22 PM, #86
                                   Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 07:14 PM, #88
                                        Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 08:24 PM, #90
Reply Pet Peeves, Kastellyn, 14-Sep-06 11:52 AM, #17
Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Razoul, 12-Sep-06 06:50 PM, #5
Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Zulghinlour, 13-Sep-06 04:59 PM, #8
     Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Razoul, 13-Sep-06 06:51 PM, #11
          Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Zulghinlour, 14-Sep-06 12:46 AM, #14
Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Isildur, 11-Sep-06 03:18 PM, #1
     Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Eskelian, 12-Sep-06 12:43 AM, #2
     Reply Early morning.. good time for some venting, Marcus_, 12-Sep-06 01:44 AM, #3
          Reply Snow and you., Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:38 AM, #25
          Reply Don't you have winter tires in the US? It's enforced by..., Marcus_, 16-Sep-06 11:33 AM, #43
               Reply RE: Don't you have winter tires in the US? It's enforce..., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:03 AM, #52
          Reply Shakira For You, Razoul, 17-Sep-06 05:42 PM, #48
          Reply I love Shakira., Crysseara, 17-Sep-06 06:43 PM, #49
     Reply Exit lane shenanigans, nebel, 12-Sep-06 02:41 AM, #4
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