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AmarantheSun 17-Sep-06 10:33 AM
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#427, "RE: I hate other people breathing my air."
Edited on Sun 17-Sep-06 10:36 AM

          

Hey, I agree with elements of what you're saying, but your arguments are so ass-backwards it's actually difficult to side with you.

I don't like smoking, and I am in favor of many of the restrictions on smoking here in California in public venues, but I also think it's taken too far, both socially and legally. Smokers are treated like leperous pariahs, which I don't think is right either. And certainly one who owns a bar - an establishment which exists for the purpose of patrons enjoying vices - should allow smoking if they choose. I find the argument that waitresses might get cancer from second-hand smoke is erroneous.. many jobs have occupational hazards and you accept them as part of the job, or you don't accept the job.

For you to claim that second-hand smoke is harmless just takes away the ability for some people to take your position seriously. It is well-verified that it is harmful. My argument would instead be that there are calculated risks we take in life all the time, and smoking or being around people who smoke is one of those risks. It's certainly less than the risk of driving in a car, something we all do every day, yet we wouldn't dream of doing anything to restrict automobile useage, no matter how trivial the reason to drive.

What I always find ironic is that a lot of these people have absolutely no desire to restrict alcohol in terms of consumption or advertising in the same way they restrict cigarette usage. For those who think there is no "secondhand alcohol" - think again. The number of alcohol-related instances of violence, drunk-driving, random accidents, etc. amounts to a much greater threat to public health than second hand smoke. We have no major problem with beer advertisements, intoxication in bars, etc. Now, I'm not saying there necessarily *should* be such restrictions, but I am saying it's definitely a double-standard. I certainly find loud, stinking-of-alcohol drunk people far more obnoxious than smokers, but my solution is to simply do not go to drinking establishments or events where people are drinking to intoxication. Similarly I think smokers should be allowed to do their thing in private bars and venues in which the proprieter has chosen to make it permissible.



  

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HOT TopicWhat is everyone's pet peeve? [View all] , Shadowmaster, Fri 15-Sep-06 07:03 AM
Reply My short list., Quixotic, 18-Sep-06 08:55 PM, #91
Reply That's a good one., Eskelian, 19-Sep-06 05:10 AM, #93
     Reply RE: WalMart, Valguarnera, 19-Sep-06 09:01 AM, #94
          Reply RE: WalMart, Eskelian, 19-Sep-06 09:21 PM, #95
               Reply Do you mean white trash? nt, Tac, 19-Sep-06 10:39 PM, #96
                    Reply RE: Do you mean white trash? nt, Eskelian, 20-Sep-06 10:32 AM, #97
Reply Drama..., Saith, 16-Sep-06 01:06 PM, #46
Reply Lumps in my Cream of Wheat., Eshval, 14-Sep-06 09:41 PM, #21
Reply I'm an irritable guy, I guess.., Java, 14-Sep-06 09:43 PM, #20
Reply that was great!..., Saith, 16-Sep-06 01:00 PM, #45
Reply My List, Ysaloerye, 14-Sep-06 09:12 PM, #19
Reply RE: My List, Isildur, 15-Sep-06 12:16 AM, #23
     Reply Agree with pretty much all of Ysaloeryes and that one I..., Abernyte, 15-Sep-06 07:48 AM, #33
Reply rewriting the same code over and over an over and over, TheDude, 14-Sep-06 12:39 PM, #18
Reply Yeah, I revise my statement. My pet peeve is Sharepoint..., Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:33 AM, #28
Reply If it was easy to get "good" specs life would be too ea..., Mylinos, 15-Sep-06 10:27 AM, #34
     Reply bleh, sorry the attachment doesn't seem to open right. ..., Mylinos, 15-Sep-06 10:15 AM, #35
Reply Smoking in public, DurNominator, 13-Sep-06 02:32 PM, #6
Reply I hate other people breathing my air., Tac, 13-Sep-06 03:43 PM, #7
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Valkenar, 13-Sep-06 05:10 PM, #9
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Tac, 13-Sep-06 05:46 PM, #10
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Valkenar, 13-Sep-06 06:19 PM, #31
Reply Well said, DurNominator, 13-Sep-06 11:41 PM, #13
     Reply RE: Well said, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:56 AM, #29
          Reply RE: Well said, DurNominator, 16-Sep-06 04:54 AM, #42
Reply Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 13-Sep-06 08:33 PM, #12
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Tac, 14-Sep-06 09:11 AM, #15
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 14-Sep-06 10:33 AM, #16
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Sandello, 14-Sep-06 11:28 PM, #22
     Reply Remember that study,, Marcus_, 15-Sep-06 03:33 AM, #24
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:25 AM, #27
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 15-Sep-06 07:02 AM, #30
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 05:53 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Isildur, 15-Sep-06 01:10 PM, #36
          Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 06:39 PM, #39
               Reply Better link, nebel, 16-Sep-06 02:53 AM, #41
     Reply Here's the thing..., TheLastMohican, 16-Sep-06 12:02 PM, #44
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, sksskn, 19-Sep-06 03:07 AM, #92
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:21 AM, #26
Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 15-Sep-06 07:22 AM, #32
     Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 06:19 PM, #38
          Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Valguarnera, 15-Sep-06 10:41 PM, #40
               Reply RE: Not to bring up evidence, but:, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 06:15 AM, #50
                    Reply RE: Faith-based smoking safety:, Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 08:34 AM, #51
                         Reply That contradicts what you just said., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:14 AM, #53
                         Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., nepenthe, 18-Sep-06 10:17 AM, #60
                              Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:08 PM, #65
                                   Reply Incorrect, again., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:26 PM, #69
                                   Reply RE: Incorrect, again., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:38 PM, #71
                                   Reply To be fair., Shadowmaster, 18-Sep-06 01:53 PM, #77
                                        Reply RE: To be fair., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:54 PM, #78
                                             Reply My thoughts on this smoking thing., Shadowmaster, 18-Sep-06 02:09 PM, #80
                                                  Reply RE: My thoughts on this smoking thing., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 02:29 PM, #82
                                   Reply Is your job specifically air quality?, Shadowmaster, 18-Sep-06 01:52 PM, #75
                                        Reply Job-related, yes., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 02:13 PM, #81
                                             Reply RE: Job-related, yes., Isildur, 18-Sep-06 03:59 PM, #85
                                   Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., nepenthe, 18-Sep-06 04:46 PM, #87
                                        Reply RE: That contradicts what you just said., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 07:28 PM, #89
                         Reply 25,000 +, Tac, 18-Sep-06 09:30 AM, #55
                              Reply RE: 25,000 +, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:35 AM, #56
                              Reply RE: 25,000 +, Tac, 18-Sep-06 09:37 AM, #57
                              Reply RE: 25,000 +, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:45 AM, #59
                                   Reply This is false., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 12:54 PM, #64
                                        Reply RE: This is false., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:10 PM, #66
                                             Reply Not a small number., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:31 PM, #70
                                                  Reply Stick with one set of stats., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:52 PM, #76
                              Reply Some numbers and sources., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 12:49 PM, #63
                                   Reply More comprehensive link, nebel, 18-Sep-06 01:46 PM, #72
                                        Reply Danke., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:51 PM, #74
Reply Got around to reading your study., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:41 AM, #58
     Reply RE: Got around to reading your study., Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 12:27 PM, #62
          Reply RE: Got around to reading your study., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:11 PM, #67
               Reply One example, of many:, Valguarnera, 18-Sep-06 01:47 PM, #73
                    Reply RE: One example, of many:, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 02:01 PM, #79
Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Amaranthe, 17-Sep-06 10:36 AM #47
     Reply RE: I hate other people breathing my air., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:22 AM, #54
          Reply Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 10:55 AM, #61
               Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 01:27 PM, #68
                    Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 02:52 PM, #83
                         Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 03:52 PM, #84
                              Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 04:22 PM, #86
                                   Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 07:14 PM, #88
                                        Reply RE: Most smokers I've seen are inconsiderate, Valkenar, 18-Sep-06 08:24 PM, #90
Reply Pet Peeves, Kastellyn, 14-Sep-06 11:52 AM, #17
Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Razoul, 12-Sep-06 06:50 PM, #5
Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Zulghinlour, 13-Sep-06 04:59 PM, #8
     Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Razoul, 13-Sep-06 06:51 PM, #11
          Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Zulghinlour, 14-Sep-06 12:46 AM, #14
Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Isildur, 11-Sep-06 03:18 PM, #1
     Reply RE: What is everyone's pet peeve?, Eskelian, 12-Sep-06 12:43 AM, #2
     Reply Early morning.. good time for some venting, Marcus_, 12-Sep-06 01:44 AM, #3
          Reply Snow and you., Eskelian, 15-Sep-06 04:38 AM, #25
          Reply Don't you have winter tires in the US? It's enforced by..., Marcus_, 16-Sep-06 11:33 AM, #43
               Reply RE: Don't you have winter tires in the US? It's enforce..., Eskelian, 18-Sep-06 09:03 AM, #52
          Reply Shakira For You, Razoul, 17-Sep-06 05:42 PM, #48
          Reply I love Shakira., Crysseara, 17-Sep-06 06:43 PM, #49
     Reply Exit lane shenanigans, nebel, 12-Sep-06 02:41 AM, #4
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