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TacTue 12-Sep-06 09:19 PM
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#329, "Two words: Turing Test"


          

Prove you are capable of thought without speaking or communicating with any language. "I think therefore I am" should in fact be "I say, therefore I am."

Why does human at conception have to be a religious viewpoint. I certainly don't consider my position to be religious. Personally, it is very simple for me. Is it going to become a fully formed human? Yes. Then it is human. Much like a building is still a building even when there is only the foundation and a single wall. Being fully formed doesn't define whether a thing is something or not.

I would argue that we don't have any way to tell that any neural activity is "thinking" in the sense of self awareness, hence the language thing. I'm pretty sure animals have neural activity, but I'm also pretty sure they don't think.

I'm aware that this is the basis of current abortion laws. I don't agree: There is a very rare disease(?) where people have all the brain fluid, but none of what we would normally consider brain. As much as 90% less than normal, and yet some of them are fully functional. We don't know how the brain works. Lastly, it is going to be human, therefore, you don't have the right to choose if it lives or dies.

Also, I don't remember saying anything about contraception, but unless I'm confused about exactly how the morning after pill works (I admit I don't know) then I don't know of any contraception that would violate my position since none of them kill a life after it has been created.

I will challenge you to prove, and I mean without any doubt, that you are in fact intelligent, without any language. No signing, no writing, no speaking. Prove you aren't just an ape. I dare you. If we knew enough about intelligence to being able to point to something and go "There, that's intelligent" we wouldn't need a Turing Test. It would be brutally obvious when a computer attainted this intelligence.

  

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HOT Locked TopicObligatory. Politics. Discuss. n/t [View all] , Eskelian, Thu 31-Aug-06 02:30 AM
Reply Thread locked on account of sprawl., Valguarnera, 13-Sep-06 09:12 AM, #123
Reply This essey pretty much sums up my current world view., Odrirg, 03-Sep-06 01:27 AM, #16
Reply RE: Vitriol:, Valguarnera, 05-Sep-06 03:26 PM, #17
Reply RE: Vitriol:, DurNominator, 05-Sep-06 04:06 PM, #19
Reply Wow... just wow...., Tac, 05-Sep-06 03:57 PM, #18
Reply RE: Wow... just wow...., Valguarnera, 05-Sep-06 04:32 PM, #20
Reply Heh..., Tac, 05-Sep-06 04:37 PM, #21
Reply This is a Fallacious argument., (NOT Pro), 06-Sep-06 06:25 PM, #30
     Reply RE: "Mexican invasion", Valguarnera, 07-Sep-06 02:58 PM, #47
     Reply Why won't they legalize it?, Tac, 07-Sep-06 03:02 PM, #48
     Reply My take:, Valguarnera, 07-Sep-06 03:18 PM, #49
     Reply RE: Why won't they legalize it?, nepenthe, 07-Sep-06 03:27 PM, #50
     Reply RE: Why won't they legalize it?, Eskelian, 07-Sep-06 10:24 PM, #77
          Reply RE: Why won't they legalize it?, Eskelian, 07-Sep-06 10:33 PM, #78
               Reply We'll probably have to kill them all. nt, Aodh, 08-Sep-06 12:26 AM, #80
     Reply RE: Why won't they legalize it?, Isildur, 07-Sep-06 03:41 PM, #52
     Reply You pointed out the danger., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 04:32 PM, #55
     Reply RE: You pointed out the danger., nepenthe, 07-Sep-06 05:47 PM, #64
          Reply Uhm.. Geography., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 06:28 PM, #71
     Reply Don't marginalize the harm of it however., Eskelian, 07-Sep-06 10:18 PM, #76
          Reply RE: Don't marginalize the harm of it however., Muuloc, 08-Sep-06 01:40 AM, #83
               Reply Quick note on that:, Valguarnera, 08-Sep-06 08:55 AM, #84
               Reply RE: Quick note on that:, Eskelian, 08-Sep-06 09:01 AM, #86
               Reply Whoops., Valguarnera, 08-Sep-06 09:38 AM, #89
               Reply According to Darwyn, (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 10:16 AM, #94
               Reply Thats absurd., Eskelian, 08-Sep-06 08:55 AM, #85
               Reply RE: Don't marginalize the harm of it however., Isildur, 08-Sep-06 09:45 AM, #91
               Reply Completely rational., (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 10:17 AM, #95
               Reply 3.4% of our GNP goes to the military., (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 10:13 AM, #93
                    Reply Do you even know what a GNP is?, Valguarnera, 08-Sep-06 12:43 PM, #102
                         Reply Military R&D is 72B I think., (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 07:12 PM, #104
                              Reply Eventually, we'll be able to kill everyone! ~, Aodh, 08-Sep-06 09:18 PM, #107
     Reply RE: This is a Fallacious argument., Muuloc, 08-Sep-06 01:34 AM, #82
          Reply Why?, (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 10:18 AM, #96
Reply As a 17 year Veteran...., (NOT Pro), 06-Sep-06 06:04 PM, #29
     Reply RE: As a 17 year Veteran...., nepenthe, 06-Sep-06 11:07 PM, #34
     Reply RE: As a 17 year Veteran...., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 01:38 AM, #35
          Reply RE: As a 17 year Veteran...., nepenthe, 07-Sep-06 08:53 AM, #37
               Reply It's worth noting that:, Valguarnera, 07-Sep-06 11:04 AM, #40
                    Reply RE: It's worth noting that:, nepenthe, 07-Sep-06 01:28 PM, #41
                         Reply Question:, Tac, 07-Sep-06 02:02 PM, #42
                         Reply To me this is the equivilant of saying., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 02:09 PM, #44
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., A2, 07-Sep-06 02:30 PM, #45
                              Reply Who once said it needed to be in a bubble? Anyone?, (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 04:35 PM, #56
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Tac, 07-Sep-06 02:59 PM, #46
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Isildur, 07-Sep-06 03:34 PM, #51
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Tac, 07-Sep-06 03:58 PM, #53
                              Reply The fair tax is a Great idea., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 04:40 PM, #59
                              Reply RE: The fair tax is a Great idea., Isildur, 07-Sep-06 04:58 PM, #62
                                   Reply Heh. nt, Wilhath, 07-Sep-06 06:11 PM, #69
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Isildur, 07-Sep-06 04:49 PM, #60
                                   Reply One dose of insanity...., Tac, 07-Sep-06 05:49 PM, #65
                              Reply 30 Million Illegals in 10 years., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 04:39 PM, #58
                                   Reply RE: 30 Million Illegals in 10 years., Isildur, 07-Sep-06 05:08 PM, #63
                                        Reply It grew., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 08:06 PM, #72
                              Reply I think we should stop ALL immigration, (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 04:37 PM, #57
                              Reply So can we deport you?, Tac, 07-Sep-06 05:51 PM, #67
                              Reply RE: I think we should stop ALL immigration, Eskelian, 07-Sep-06 10:00 PM, #75
                                   Reply Where I think a lot of you misunderstand me is here...., (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 10:09 AM, #92
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Eskelian, 07-Sep-06 09:58 PM, #74
                              Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Eshval, 13-Sep-06 12:55 AM, #118
                                   Reply RE: To me this is the equivilant of saying., Valkenar, 13-Sep-06 08:39 AM, #120
                         Reply It's worth noting also that I got seriously ####ed up o..., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 02:05 PM, #43
                              Reply Wait till they slash your benefits. ~ (Blackbird), Aodh, 07-Sep-06 06:26 PM, #70
                                   Reply They keep increasing mine., (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 10:19 AM, #97
     Reply A quote..., Barduin, 07-Sep-06 04:02 PM, #54
Reply Patriotism is hilarious, Valkenar, 05-Sep-06 05:29 PM, #22
Reply RE: This essey pretty much sums up my current world vie..., nepenthe, 05-Sep-06 05:59 PM, #23
Reply Losing would be allowing OUR government to become like ..., TheLastMohican, 05-Sep-06 08:04 PM, #24
Reply devil's advocate question for the peanut gallery. txt, Isildur, 06-Sep-06 04:08 PM, #25
Reply RE: devil's advocate question for the peanut gallery. t..., Tac, 06-Sep-06 04:56 PM, #26
Reply I wrote out this whole long thing that the forum ate..., Wilhath, 06-Sep-06 05:36 PM, #28
Reply RE: devil's advocate, Valguarnera, 06-Sep-06 05:25 PM, #27
     Reply RE: devil's advocate, (NOT Pro), 06-Sep-06 09:48 PM, #31
     Reply No offense Valg, but Pro will never learn., TheLastMohican, 06-Sep-06 10:36 PM, #32
          Reply Sure he will...., Tac, 06-Sep-06 10:43 PM, #33
          Reply It is a bad topic for this board., (NOT Pro), 07-Sep-06 01:54 AM, #36
               Reply RE: It is a bad topic for this board., Isildur, 07-Sep-06 10:25 AM, #39
               Reply RE: It is a bad topic for this board., Valkenar, 07-Sep-06 04:53 PM, #61
               Reply LAUGH!, (NOT Pro), 08-Sep-06 07:20 PM, #105
               Reply Seek counseling., Valguarnera, 07-Sep-06 05:50 PM, #66
                    Reply *edit*, Wilhath, 07-Sep-06 06:05 PM, #68
     Reply RE: devil's advocate, Isildur, 07-Sep-06 10:20 AM, #38
Reply RE: This essey pretty much sums up my current world vie..., Muuloc, 08-Sep-06 01:30 AM, #81
Reply Vague Topic, Amaranthe, 31-Aug-06 03:39 PM, #3
Reply RE: Vague Topic, Grurk Muouk, 31-Aug-06 03:53 PM, #4
Reply RE: Vague Topic, nepenthe, 31-Aug-06 05:50 PM, #5
Reply RE: Vague Topic, Amaranthe, 31-Aug-06 06:52 PM, #6
Reply RE: Vague Topic, Eskelian, 31-Aug-06 08:08 PM, #8
Reply RE: Vague Topic, Isildur, 01-Sep-06 10:56 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Vague Topic, Eskelian, 01-Sep-06 05:11 PM, #10
     Reply RE: Vague Topic, Isildur, 01-Sep-06 11:54 PM, #11
          Reply RE: Vague Topic, Eskelian, 07-Sep-06 09:50 PM, #73
               Reply RE: Vague Topic, nepenthe, 07-Sep-06 11:04 PM, #79
               Reply Bingo. n/t, Eskelian, 08-Sep-06 09:04 AM, #87
               Reply RE: Vague Topic, Tac, 08-Sep-06 09:15 AM, #88
               Reply RE: Vague Topic, nepenthe, 08-Sep-06 10:49 AM, #99
                    Reply They *are* seperate issues, Tac, 08-Sep-06 11:42 AM, #100
                         Reply RE: They *are* seperate issues, nepenthe, 08-Sep-06 07:28 PM, #106
                              Reply I gotta ask, Minyar, 12-Sep-06 01:37 PM, #108
                                   Reply I've been meaning to respond to this.... (Nepenthe's), Tac, 12-Sep-06 02:43 PM, #109
                                   Reply RE: I've been meaning to respond to this.... (Nepenthe'..., nepenthe, 12-Sep-06 03:48 PM, #111
                                        Reply RE: I've been meaning to respond to this.... (Nepenthe'..., Tac, 12-Sep-06 04:30 PM, #112
                                             Reply RE: I've been meaning to respond to this.... (Nepenthe'..., nepenthe, 12-Sep-06 05:41 PM, #113
                                                  Reply Come on now Nep, Minyar, 12-Sep-06 05:58 PM, #114
                                                       Reply Except:, Valguarnera, 12-Sep-06 08:59 PM, #115
                                                            Reply Two words: Turing Test, Tac, 12-Sep-06 09:19 PM #116
                                                            Reply RE: Two words: Turing Test, Valguarnera, 12-Sep-06 11:37 PM, #117
                                                            Reply RE: Two words: Turing Test, Tac, 13-Sep-06 08:47 AM, #121
                                                            Reply RE: Two words: Turing Test, Valkenar, 13-Sep-06 09:05 AM, #122
                                   Reply RE: I gotta ask, nepenthe, 12-Sep-06 03:22 PM, #110
               Reply The problem is Choice, Nepenthe, wretchedmongrel, 13-Sep-06 02:43 AM, #119
               Reply RE: Vague Topic, Isildur, 08-Sep-06 09:38 AM, #90
                    Reply RE: Vague Topic, nepenthe, 08-Sep-06 10:40 AM, #98
                         Reply According to wikipedia...., Tac, 08-Sep-06 11:46 AM, #101
                         Reply RE: Vague Topic, Isildur, 08-Sep-06 12:42 PM, #103
     Reply RE: Vague Topic, Amaranthe, 02-Sep-06 11:20 AM, #12
          Reply RE: Vague Topic, Isildur, 02-Sep-06 11:45 AM, #13
               Reply RE: Vague Topic, Amaranthe, 02-Sep-06 02:45 PM, #14
Reply RE: Vague Topic, Eskelian, 31-Aug-06 08:07 PM, #7
Reply From my blog eariler this month:, Grurk Muouk, 31-Aug-06 08:17 AM, #1
     Reply RE: From my blog eariler this month:, Isildur, 31-Aug-06 02:32 PM, #2
          Reply RE: From my blog eariler this month:, Isildur, 02-Sep-06 04:15 PM, #15
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