I'm going to try to keep this brief and not write 50 pages, because there's CF stuff I want to do yet tonight.

Simply, I think you underestimate the transformitive power of the American culture and way of life. The way you push that isn't invading some random country in the Middle East; that makes it a lot harder for it to do is job and spread freedom, ironically.

Is Osama Bin Ladin going to give up his way of life and start hanging out at a McDonalds, watching Friends reruns, and listening to Britney Spears? No, of course not. Guys like that, yes, you either need to kill or marginalize by forcing them to live in caves in the middle of bumble#### nowhere. Even most of the liberal Americans that you deride aren't arguing that one.

Guys like "that" are the leaders. Don't you watch TV? Have you been over there where they go to a Mosque and do nothing but pray? Western culture and Eastern Culture both have attractive merrits to us. But to them it is denied because of the iron handed governments they have. And I don't give a ####. They canal desicate in the desert for all I care. The problem is, they've had Western/Eastern culture for Centries and it's never stoped the acts of Violence. Agression to US policy goes back to the 1800 with the Barbary Pirates.


But, give it a generation or two. Let the greatness of the Western way of modern life (such as it is) work its miracles, there aren't going to be any more OBLs. Or, if there are, they're going to be guys like the Unabomber who are living in the midst of a population that does not support the stuff they want to do, and thus, are made much less dangerous as a result.


There have been plenty of Generations. The last 75 years made them Rich beyond belief. Now in their free time they fund and export terrorism. What's more Saudi Arabia is a massive supporter of producer of them. 18 or the 19 were Sauds.



The Cold War wasn't won on a battlefield. Overall, this is no different. Soviet Union propaganda-dudes back in the day lied to their people about what life in America was like, just as many governments of the Middle East or clerical leaders do today. The world is getting smaller, and truth and freedom can't be held back forever, not by anyone.

That's just naive. Our cultures are breaking down in large measure because of Entropy. Western Societies are soft and weak and worried more about hurting an agressors feelings than defending their own people.

I don't believe I have to love anyone. I believe I have to shoot the ####er comming in my door to rape my daughters. I don't agree or disagree wih Iraq. I'm a soldier and I'm glad we are over there if only to disrupt them in that area so they can't mass against us. The turmoil you see in the news about us is nothing to the mayhem those ####ers are feeling. They are tribesmen and they all interpret the Koran their way. One thing rings true for all of them though. Christians, jews and everyone not Muslim must die.

That's not hype, that's notpropaganda, that's not a minority of their culture. It is their culture. Don't take my word for it look around the world at the major conlicts with nations other than our own and see who's involed...Islam. Muslims.

Islam means To Submit for #### sake.