Valguarnera | Wed 22-Aug-07 07:23 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#1368, "RE: Mathematics"
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That's actually one of the primary reasons I've pursued mathematics as my field of interest. I love science, but that tiny nagging "maybe" is always there. Mathematics attempts to be more "absolute" in the fact that we define our assumptions, and from there develop our facts, principles, and proofs.
Not sure if you've read any Popper, Kuhn, etc., but there's no reason to place mathematics 'outside' of the sciences, other than their degree of certainty is probabilistically higher. There have been a number of times in history when mathematical proofs have been incorrect because the prover could not account for all possible situations, due to an incomplete understanding of scope, etc.
It's less fallible than, say, even quantum mechanics (*), but certainly not infallible, and not a distinct group. Nonetheless, I would support you in laughing at anyone who asks if you "believe in Gödel's incompleteness theorem". (As an aside, if you're interested in both math and evolution, check out I Am a Strange Loop by Douglas Hofstadter.)
valguarnera@carrionfields.com
(*): I pick this because it's amazing how well quantum mechanics has done, given its relatively non-intuitive laws. They've made predictions based on theory where it took decades to build the equipment needed to make the measurement (thinking of the electron magnetic moment), and the predictions worked to better than 1 in 1012, with the error more likely to be in the equipment.
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About evolution
[View all] , Nightgaunt_, Mon 20-Aug-07 09:43 AM
Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:25 AM, #72
RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 12:30 PM, #76
RE: Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:00 PM, #78
I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 01:16 PM, #79
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:22 PM, #80
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Tac,
22-Aug-07 01:37 PM, #83
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 03:06 PM, #86
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:51 PM, #90
Actually,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 01:49 AM, #93
RE: Actually,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:17 AM, #99
RE: Actually,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 09:42 AM, #104
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 07:25 AM, #95
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:44 PM, #89
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 09:50 AM, #105
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 03:16 PM, #87
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:40 PM, #88
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 11:04 PM, #92
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:01 AM, #97
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
23-Aug-07 08:11 AM, #98
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:25 AM, #100
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
23-Aug-07 08:52 AM, #101
If you read something you believe to be true,
Leprechaun,
23-Aug-07 09:11 AM, #102
RE: Book Larnin,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 09:12 AM, #103
RE: Book Larnin,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 01:18 PM, #106
RE: Book Larnin,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 02:03 PM, #107
RE: Book Larnin,
Eskelian,
03-Sep-07 03:09 PM, #112
Water is wet ...,
Leprechaun,
23-Aug-07 03:18 AM, #94
RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 01:23 PM, #81
RE: Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:32 PM, #82
RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 01:48 PM, #84
The problematic of the issue,
DurNominator,
26-Aug-07 10:18 PM, #108
I feel that this is on topic,
DurNominator,
12-Sep-07 04:10 PM, #117
RE: About evolution,
Tac,
20-Aug-07 04:52 PM, #9
RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-07 10:02 PM, #13
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:47 AM, #18
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:02 AM, #21
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:06 AM, #23
And the bottom line...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:16 AM, #25
RE: And the bottom line...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:31 PM, #44
RE: And the bottom line...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:37 PM, #47
Silly?,
GinGa,
22-Aug-07 08:47 AM, #73
Sorta side-track, but ...,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 10:10 AM, #29
RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-07 09:38 AM, #28
RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
20-Aug-07 11:25 AM, #4
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
20-Aug-07 01:29 PM, #6
RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
20-Aug-07 05:11 PM, #10
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 08:54 AM, #20
RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
21-Aug-07 11:03 AM, #38
Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 11:53 AM, #40
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:31 PM, #43
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 12:33 PM, #45
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:38 PM, #48
Seriously?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 12:50 PM, #53
RE: Seriously?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 01:12 PM, #56
RE: Seriously?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 02:09 PM, #58
RE: Seriously?,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:49 AM, #74
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Isildur,
21-Aug-07 03:26 PM, #61
Yes, very much so,
Leprechaun,
20-Aug-07 10:11 AM, #2
RE: Mutation rates,
Valguarnera,
20-Aug-07 10:43 AM, #3
Hey cool, thanks for the info nt,
Leprechaun,
20-Aug-07 12:10 PM, #5
On the subject of mutation: Cancer,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 06:54 AM, #15
RE: On the subject of mutation: Cancer,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:40 PM, #49
A small addition,
GinGa,
22-Aug-07 10:12 AM, #75
RE: About evolution,
Valguarnera,
20-Aug-07 10:02 AM, #1
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
20-Aug-07 03:49 PM, #7
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
20-Aug-07 04:10 PM, #8
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:43 AM, #17
RE: Irreducible complexity,
Valguarnera,
20-Aug-07 08:50 PM, #11
RE: Irreducible complexity,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:37 AM, #16
About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 08:52 AM, #19
RE: About random,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:20 AM, #24
RE: About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:22 AM, #26
RE: About random,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:29 AM, #27
RE: About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:45 AM, #30
RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-07 09:49 PM, #12
Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be incor...,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 05:19 AM, #14
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:03 AM, #22
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 09:50 AM, #31
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:26 AM, #32
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 10:18 AM, #33
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:29 AM, #34
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 10:39 AM, #36
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:47 AM, #37
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:22 PM, #42
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:35 PM, #46
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:41 PM, #50
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:44 PM, #51
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:47 PM, #52
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:51 PM, #54
RE: Solipsism:,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 02:13 PM, #59
RE: Solipsism:,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 05:02 PM, #63
RE: Solipsism:,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 07:43 AM, #68
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-07 01:10 PM, #55
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 01:34 PM, #57
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 02:14 PM, #60
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 04:57 PM, #62
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 04:22 AM, #65
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 07:35 AM, #67
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:06 AM, #70
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 08:14 AM, #71
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 12:49 PM, #77
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 02:57 PM, #85
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 10:27 PM, #91
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 07:24 AM, #96
RE: Observables,
DurNominator,
27-Aug-07 12:33 AM, #110
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
27-Aug-07 10:32 AM, #111
Then don't,
DurNominator,
03-Sep-07 03:42 PM, #113
RE: Then don't,
Eskelian,
03-Sep-07 10:10 PM, #114
Re: Trolling,
Daevryn,
03-Sep-07 10:41 PM, #115
RE: Re: Trolling,
Tac,
04-Sep-07 08:34 AM, #116
RE: Re: Trolling,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-07 10:14 PM, #118
RE: Observables,
DurNominator,
26-Aug-07 11:46 PM, #109
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:00 AM, #69
Sure but txt,
Larcat,
21-Aug-07 10:39 AM, #35
RE: Sure but txt,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 11:50 AM, #39
RE: Sure but txt,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:03 PM, #41
RE: About evolution,
Straklaw,
22-Aug-07 03:33 AM, #64
RE: Mathematics,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 07:23 AM #66
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