Valguarnera | Mon 20-Aug-07 10:42 AM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#1290, "RE: Mutation rates"
Edited on Mon 20-Aug-07 10:43 AM
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Only thing, I think, is that it's not entirely clear what exactly triggers mutation. Or at least it isn't to me. I doubt it's about 'defects' in genetic material alone.
It's fairly well understood, at least in a broad sense. Some categories, and analogies to copying a book:
Typos: The easiest measurement of mutation rates are simply copying mistakes by the enzymes that handle replicating genetic material. Even the humble E. Coli uses at least 20 different proteins to copy its DNA, and depending on growth conditions it will make an error every 108 to 1010 base pairs or about 1 error per 1,000 new bacteria. (Remarkably, the only reason it's that good is because some of those enzymes crawl along completed DNA and effectively edit out mismatches that cause distortions in the double helix.)
Finding a smudged word: Beyond that, pathogen, chemical, or radiation damage to genetic material can up that rate. If a given base pair has been modified (oxidized, etc.) it may not get 'read' correctly by the team of proteins, and the next generation may perpetuate that mistake. In the worst case scenario, the replication proteins get to the mistake and effectively fill in random junk.
Skipping a page by accident: There's also a host of mechanisms by which organisms (particularly those with high reproduction rates, like bacteria) cut, paste, shuffle, and otherwise modify their genome beyond simple copying errors. Most of these changes end up being lethal (and thus removed from the gene pool), but at a high enough reproduction rate it's still a sustainable strategy that can increase overall fitness-- every once in a while one of these mutant bacteria acquires a novel trait that allows it to either outcompete its ancestors or else occupy a niche unavailable to them.
Also, some macro-level mutations (eye color, some diseases, whatever) are actually the result of many genes interacting. There, even if the copying is perfect, just the usual shuffling of genes during sexual reproduction will occasionally produce a novel result from old pieces. Genetics is full of examples where the sum is very different than the parts.
valguarnera@carrionfields.com
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About evolution
[View all] , Nightgaunt_, Mon 20-Aug-07 09:43 AM
Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:25 AM, #72
RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 12:30 PM, #76
RE: Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:00 PM, #78
I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 01:16 PM, #79
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:22 PM, #80
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Tac,
22-Aug-07 01:37 PM, #83
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 03:06 PM, #86
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:51 PM, #90
Actually,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 01:49 AM, #93
RE: Actually,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:17 AM, #99
RE: Actually,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 09:42 AM, #104
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 07:25 AM, #95
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:44 PM, #89
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Nightgaunt_,
23-Aug-07 09:50 AM, #105
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 03:16 PM, #87
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 09:40 PM, #88
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
22-Aug-07 11:04 PM, #92
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:01 AM, #97
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
23-Aug-07 08:11 AM, #98
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 08:25 AM, #100
RE: I've got to tell you:,
Daevryn,
23-Aug-07 08:52 AM, #101
If you read something you believe to be true,
Leprechaun,
23-Aug-07 09:11 AM, #102
RE: Book Larnin,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 09:12 AM, #103
RE: Book Larnin,
Eskelian,
23-Aug-07 01:18 PM, #106
RE: Book Larnin,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 02:03 PM, #107
RE: Book Larnin,
Eskelian,
03-Sep-07 03:09 PM, #112
Water is wet ...,
Leprechaun,
23-Aug-07 03:18 AM, #94
RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 01:23 PM, #81
RE: Final thoughts.,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 01:32 PM, #82
RE: Final thoughts.,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 01:48 PM, #84
The problematic of the issue,
DurNominator,
26-Aug-07 10:18 PM, #108
I feel that this is on topic,
DurNominator,
12-Sep-07 04:10 PM, #117
RE: About evolution,
Tac,
20-Aug-07 04:52 PM, #9
RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-07 10:02 PM, #13
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:47 AM, #18
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:02 AM, #21
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:06 AM, #23
And the bottom line...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:16 AM, #25
RE: And the bottom line...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:31 PM, #44
RE: And the bottom line...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:37 PM, #47
Silly?,
GinGa,
22-Aug-07 08:47 AM, #73
Sorta side-track, but ...,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 10:10 AM, #29
RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-07 09:38 AM, #28
RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
20-Aug-07 11:25 AM, #4
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
20-Aug-07 01:29 PM, #6
RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
20-Aug-07 05:11 PM, #10
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 08:54 AM, #20
RE: About evolution,
Isildur,
21-Aug-07 11:03 AM, #38
Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 11:53 AM, #40
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:31 PM, #43
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 12:33 PM, #45
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:38 PM, #48
Seriously?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 12:50 PM, #53
RE: Seriously?,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 01:12 PM, #56
RE: Seriously?,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 02:09 PM, #58
RE: Seriously?,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:49 AM, #74
RE: Do you consider it possible to prove God exits?,
Isildur,
21-Aug-07 03:26 PM, #61
Yes, very much so,
Leprechaun,
20-Aug-07 10:11 AM, #2
RE: Mutation rates,
Valguarnera,
20-Aug-07 10:43 AM #3
Hey cool, thanks for the info nt,
Leprechaun,
20-Aug-07 12:10 PM, #5
On the subject of mutation: Cancer,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 06:54 AM, #15
RE: On the subject of mutation: Cancer,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:40 PM, #49
A small addition,
GinGa,
22-Aug-07 10:12 AM, #75
RE: About evolution,
Valguarnera,
20-Aug-07 10:02 AM, #1
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
20-Aug-07 03:49 PM, #7
RE: About evolution,
Nightgaunt_,
20-Aug-07 04:10 PM, #8
RE: About evolution,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:43 AM, #17
RE: Irreducible complexity,
Valguarnera,
20-Aug-07 08:50 PM, #11
RE: Irreducible complexity,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 08:37 AM, #16
About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 08:52 AM, #19
RE: About random,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:20 AM, #24
RE: About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:22 AM, #26
RE: About random,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:29 AM, #27
RE: About random,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 09:45 AM, #30
RE: About evolution,
Daevryn,
20-Aug-07 09:49 PM, #12
Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be incor...,
Leprechaun,
21-Aug-07 05:19 AM, #14
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 09:03 AM, #22
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 09:50 AM, #31
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:26 AM, #32
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 10:18 AM, #33
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:29 AM, #34
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 10:39 AM, #36
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 10:47 AM, #37
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:22 PM, #42
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:35 PM, #46
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:41 PM, #50
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:44 PM, #51
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:47 PM, #52
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 12:51 PM, #54
RE: Solipsism:,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 02:13 PM, #59
RE: Solipsism:,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 05:02 PM, #63
RE: Solipsism:,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 07:43 AM, #68
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Daevryn,
21-Aug-07 01:10 PM, #55
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 01:34 PM, #57
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
21-Aug-07 02:14 PM, #60
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
21-Aug-07 04:57 PM, #62
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Nightgaunt_,
22-Aug-07 04:22 AM, #65
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 07:35 AM, #67
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:06 AM, #70
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 08:14 AM, #71
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 12:49 PM, #77
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 02:57 PM, #85
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 10:27 PM, #91
RE: Observables,
Valguarnera,
23-Aug-07 07:24 AM, #96
RE: Observables,
DurNominator,
27-Aug-07 12:33 AM, #110
RE: Observables,
Eskelian,
27-Aug-07 10:32 AM, #111
Then don't,
DurNominator,
03-Sep-07 03:42 PM, #113
RE: Then don't,
Eskelian,
03-Sep-07 10:10 PM, #114
Re: Trolling,
Daevryn,
03-Sep-07 10:41 PM, #115
RE: Re: Trolling,
Tac,
04-Sep-07 08:34 AM, #116
RE: Re: Trolling,
Eskelian,
18-Sep-07 10:14 PM, #118
RE: Observables,
DurNominator,
26-Aug-07 11:46 PM, #109
RE: Basically any theory is valid unless proven to be i...,
Eskelian,
22-Aug-07 08:00 AM, #69
Sure but txt,
Larcat,
21-Aug-07 10:39 AM, #35
RE: Sure but txt,
Tac,
21-Aug-07 11:50 AM, #39
RE: Sure but txt,
Valguarnera,
21-Aug-07 12:03 PM, #41
RE: About evolution,
Straklaw,
22-Aug-07 03:33 AM, #64
RE: Mathematics,
Valguarnera,
22-Aug-07 07:23 AM, #66
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