Rayihn | Thu 23-May-13 08:43 AM |
Member since 08th Oct 2006
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#114927, "RE: I really have to know"
Edited on Thu 23-May-13 09:16 AM
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There's little I can really say here, and I'm sure nothing that would sway you but you've asked me to and so I'll try.
Oshui was not perfect. But what exactly would you have liked me to do? You guys complain when I punish, you complain when I reward. The solution is, as is shown by the fact that most imms have been driven to this kind of apathy by the playerbase, to do neither. To not offer anything enriching to the game because it inevitably pisses someone off. You guys haven't quite broken me to that point yet though this latest wave of drama is making an impressive effort.
I will also point out that people are always much more vocal with vitriol than compliment. It is what it is, so I don't know that I completely agree that I'm in the minority.
As I said in my goodbye to Oshui, I was glad that I had the RP with him that I did, and as I also said, I spent a lot of time trying to steer him in certain directions. We had a long talk about the Cainargen situation and I told him flat out he shouldn't be killing you more than once a day. After that, he did change his behavior.
And I can only blame him so much. He took what Baer believes and made it reality in the game. Light's tipping? Yes, Baer says you can hunt Nexus. It's safe at that point to assume they are doing evil and you need to stop them. Your neutral is doing bad things to good people? Yes. You should die for that and hopefully learn a lesson. Cainargen would not stop the war and a lot of innocent (read non mage) Forties died for that. What exactly did you want Oshui to do?
Did Oshui push the boundaries of these concepts sometimes? Sure. But he was also pretty careful about staying right around those boundaries. I very rarely faulted him for any of those neutral pks. Having a neutral alignment does not excuse you from evil behavior. It isn't an automatic get out of Maran jail card. Right before Oshui died, a neutral Trib ganged him down at the Vanquisher with a bunch of Empire. After Oshui unghosted he killed that guy. The guy bitched up a storm about what "bad" goodie behavior that was. Why exactly should that be bad behavior? Sure, there are goodie roles you can play that will ignore/forgive such things. Oshui didn't have that kind of role. Truthfully, neither does Baer. Should that kind of grudge carry over log ins and days? No, I don't think so. But that's a difficult one to really define and probably one of the boundaries Oshui pushed.
As for the Battle/Fort war, I hated it. I hated how OOC Mardrorn treated everything, the giant chip on his shoulder, and I always hate when Battle declares war on Fort because the mages never really suffer for it. Only the newbies trying to learn the game playing a paladin or whatever suffer as all of a sudden they have to defend against a bunch of neutrals with deathblow. This is evidenced:
Nov 6, 2012 |Lv 51|BattleRager Village|Drogdenbaryd vs 2: Cainargen (15%, crush), Zarkyem (84%) Nov 7, 2012 |Lv 51|Hamsah Mu'tazz|Drogdenbaryd vs 1: Cainargen (100%, parting blow) Nov 9, 2012 |Lv 51|Voralian City|Drogdenbaryd vs 1: Cainargen (100%, cranial hit) Nov 10, 2012|Lv 51|Fortress of Light|Filndar vs 2: Cainargen (65%), Louveray (34%, blast) Nov 10, 2012|Lv 51|Fortress of Light|Manezin vs 2: Cainargen (66%, crush), Louveray (33%) Nov 10, 2012|Lv 51|The Ruins of Ostalagiah|Drogdenbaryd vs 1: Cainargen (100%, smash) Nov 11, 2012|Lv 51|Fortress of Light|Drogdenbaryd vs 2: Louveray (39%), Cainargen (60%, smash)
Yes, you killed some Fort mages during that time too. But do you think Drogdenbaryd thought any more highly of you than you did Oshui? If he did it's only because that guy seems like a genuinely nice person.
*edit* I should have added in more to answer your question of why I liked Oshui.
He stuck to his role like glue. It might not have been a role people liked but he did not veer off it. I watched him spend countless hours helping Forties and general goodies who needed advice about pk'ing, prepping, and tactics in general. He never quit off without his item. I respected the *hell* out of that. Yes, he had a tough combo that made standing up to bad odds and getting an item back *easier* but that didn't mean it was always easy. He took on odds and situations that I would not have blamed him for avoiding. He put tremendous effort into growing the light in general on CF. Sure he was pretty brusque a lot of the time and that turned a lot of people off. I'm not too different though in that I also hate ####ting around. I can't really fault him for that without being a hypocrite. I could probably go on but I think this is enough for now.
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(AGE DEATH) [FORTRESS] Oshui the Heart of the Jaguar, M...
[View all] , Death_Angel, Sat 18-May-13 12:40 PM
We made a good team,
Randoniel (Anonymous),
27-May-13 01:40 AM, #80
RE: (AGE DEATH) [FORTRESS] Oshui the Heart of the Jagua...,
Thrall,
24-May-13 11:17 PM, #78
GLWYN,
Hrilifaxi (Anonymous),
20-May-13 09:56 AM, #37
RE: (AGE DEATH) [FORTRESS] Oshui the Heart of the Jagua...,
Sleris (Anonymous),
18-May-13 04:59 PM, #10
For Better or Worse, Oshui is Gone.,
blackbird,
18-May-13 01:52 PM, #4
RE: For Better or Worse, Oshui is Gone.,
Kalageadon,
18-May-13 03:04 PM, #6
Air Shifters with Insect Swarm,
Amaranthe,
18-May-13 03:37 PM, #7
RE: Air Shifters with Insect Swarm,
Xasivus (Anonymous),
18-May-13 04:30 PM, #9
RE: Air Shifters with Insect Swarm,
Amaranthe,
18-May-13 05:12 PM, #11
RE: Air Shifters with Insect Swarm,
Xasivus (Anonymous),
18-May-13 06:51 PM, #13
Take advantage of? More like abuse.,
Abernyte,
20-May-13 07:47 AM, #36
rotd IS for poor sportsmanship,
incognito,
18-May-13 03:55 PM, #8
I've never had an air shifter high enough level for all...,
jalbrin,
19-May-13 05:20 PM, #29
For the Better, Oshui is gone.,
Treebeard/Cain (Anonymous),
18-May-13 06:36 PM, #12
Agreed, 100%. (n/t),
Iunna,
19-May-13 12:31 PM, #22
RE: For the Better, Oshui is gone.,
Raj (Anonymous),
19-May-13 07:37 PM, #32
RE: For Better or Worse, Oshui is Gone.,
Daevryn,
18-May-13 08:14 PM, #14
I was pretty neutral on you.,
Jawn Foote (Anonymous),
18-May-13 10:28 PM, #15
My grumpy cat!,
Rayihn,
19-May-13 07:03 AM, #17
FYI Oshui was a Baerinikia follower.,
Gaspar,
19-May-13 11:20 AM, #18
RE: FYI Oshui was a Baerinikia follower.,
Daevryn,
19-May-13 12:10 PM, #19
I am now aware,
Gaspar,
19-May-13 12:19 PM, #20
RE: I am now aware,
Daevryn,
19-May-13 12:26 PM, #21
Rational person...CF forums.,
Homard,
19-May-13 12:32 PM, #23
Go find a rational person and we'll ask them what they ...,
Gaspar,
19-May-13 12:36 PM, #24
RE: Go find a rational person and we'll ask them what t...,
Daevryn,
19-May-13 06:52 PM, #30
RE: Go find a rational person and we'll ask them what t...,
Gaspar,
20-May-13 11:23 AM, #39
This is taking it to far. (n/t),
orangepowered,
20-May-13 11:17 AM, #41
It's okay, daev feels sorry for me and I feel sorry for...,
Gaspar,
20-May-13 11:23 AM, #43
It's funny that you're so bad,
Vortex Magus,
19-May-13 02:02 PM, #25
I don't see how I'm a tool,
Gaspar,
19-May-13 02:17 PM, #26
Every time you post,
Vortex Magus,
19-May-13 02:30 PM, #27
That's hilarious ,
Gaspar,
19-May-13 03:27 PM, #28
I really have to know,
Treebeard,
19-May-13 08:52 PM, #34
I would love to see an honest reply to this. (n/t),
orangepowered,
20-May-13 11:18 AM, #42
RE: I would love to see an honest reply to this. (n/t),
Daevryn,
20-May-13 08:54 PM, #50
I always welcome your opinion, but I am specifically lo...,
orangepowered,
21-May-13 11:45 AM, #56
Cosign. Appreciate the Daev input, but I want to hear f...,
Treebeard,
21-May-13 01:00 PM, #57
Personally...,
Minyar,
20-May-13 05:12 PM, #46
RE: Personally...,
Daevryn,
20-May-13 08:47 PM, #49
I can't even find it...,
Minyar,
21-May-13 01:08 PM, #58
RE: I really have to know,
Rayihn,
23-May-13 09:16 AM #62
I'll compliment Oshui.,
lasentia,
23-May-13 09:46 AM, #63
RE: I really have to know,
orangepowered,
23-May-13 01:20 PM, #64
RE: I really have to know,
Daevryn,
23-May-13 01:27 PM, #65
RE: I really have to know,
orangepowered,
23-May-13 02:47 PM, #67
Hard not to express genuine anger that looks like a tro...,
Stunna,
23-May-13 02:54 PM, #66
RE: Hard not to express genuine anger that looks like a...,
Daevryn,
23-May-13 03:19 PM, #69
RE: Hard not to express genuine anger that looks like a...,
Stunna,
23-May-13 03:55 PM, #70
I feel bad I started that and I wasn't even playing at ...,
TMNS,
30-May-13 08:04 AM, #84
RE: Hard not to express genuine anger that looks like a...,
Malakhi,
23-May-13 09:48 PM, #72
I liked Sindrai......,
Xasivus (Anonymous),
23-May-13 11:33 PM, #73
Forgot to comment on this:,
Daevryn,
24-May-13 08:42 AM, #74
True story!,
TMNS,
30-May-13 08:06 AM, #85
Players blaming RayBaer for everything made me leave.,
TMNS,
30-May-13 08:02 AM, #83
RE: I really have to know,
Kuryaelin,
23-May-13 02:55 PM, #68
If I may...,
Bajula,
23-May-13 04:39 PM, #71
RE: I really have to know,
Vonzamir,
24-May-13 11:38 AM, #75
Simplistic and of limited accuracy,
incognito,
24-May-13 03:19 PM, #76
This was meant as more of a general comment......,
Vonzamir,
24-May-13 05:11 PM, #77
Goodbye and some comments,
Mylene (Anonymous),
25-May-13 10:40 AM, #79
+1 to Oshui and + 1 to Baer. Is there any actual criti...,
highbutterfly,
29-May-13 02:48 PM, #81
RE: +1 to Oshui and + 1 to Baer. Is there any actual c...,
The_Shark,
29-May-13 04:05 PM, #82
This (n/t),
highbutterfly,
31-May-13 04:01 AM, #86
I don't enjoy having multikillers on my side at all,
incognito,
31-May-13 07:19 AM, #87
This is not a reasonable response,
highbutterfly,
01-Jun-13 09:56 AM, #88
You missed the point,
incognito,
01-Jun-13 02:04 PM, #89
RE: For Better or Worse, Oshui is Gone.,
HammerSong,
19-May-13 07:22 PM, #31
I hate to be that guy but the person who played the dwa...,
Tesline,
19-May-13 09:56 PM, #35
False. ,
Stunna,
20-May-13 10:02 AM, #38
Also False,
HammerSong,
20-May-13 11:12 AM, #40
RE: Also False,
N b M,
20-May-13 11:24 AM, #44
RE: Also False,
HammerSong,
20-May-13 09:05 PM, #52
I was a titled mage leader of outlander and you didn't ...,
laxman,
21-May-13 10:40 AM, #55
RE: I was a titled mage leader of outlander and you did...,
Daevryn,
21-May-13 06:22 PM, #59
RE: I was a titled mage leader of outlander and you did...,
N b M,
21-May-13 06:27 PM, #60
RE: I was a titled mage leader of outlander and you did...,
Daevryn,
21-May-13 08:21 PM, #61
Well good to see that I was wrong then. I personally en...,
Tesline,
20-May-13 07:42 PM, #48
Just some clarity on the war timeline.,
lasentia,
21-May-13 08:58 AM, #53
RE: Just some clarity on the war timeline.,
N b M,
21-May-13 09:25 AM, #54
RE: False. ,
wareagle,
20-May-13 07:42 PM, #47
RE: False. ,
Daevryn,
20-May-13 08:58 PM, #51
A few positives and a few negatives,
Kraldinor (Anonymous),
19-May-13 08:38 PM, #33
RE: For Better or Worse, Oshui is Gone.,
Malakhi,
20-May-13 12:09 PM, #45
Fer what it's worth, th' men inna trenches loved ye,
Yuolud (Anonymous),
02-Jun-13 07:47 PM, #90
RE: (AGE DEATH) [FORTRESS] Oshui the Heart of the Jagua...,
Khalum (Anonymous),
18-May-13 12:54 PM, #2
Great pker,
Aereglen,
18-May-13 12:46 PM, #1
Yeah, your lightwalker has got better things to do than...,
Vortex Magus,
18-May-13 01:37 PM, #3
RE: Yeah, your lightwalker has got better things to do ...,
Aereglen,
18-May-13 02:45 PM, #5
RE: Yeah, your lightwalker has got better things to do ...,
blackbird,
19-May-13 06:11 AM, #16
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