>Maybe there's a bigger picture than what I see. But as far as when I >played, there were usually more Scions than me. Ofcourse when the >numbers are right for any cabal they are strong, but the Chasm is >far from nill in numbers. And I do not mean to take away their >roleplay, but am trying to say that very few in thera don't >roleplay. You have alot that don't have strong personalities, but >that doesn't take away from their characters. Shanta tried to have >personality, tried to be recognizable. And to be titled the Hand of >the Unseen was just an insult. Specially when you got a someone >titled defender that told me "give my reguards to the archmage as we >raided." That he'd be holding onto my things and made no attempt >what so ever to defend even thoughtthere were several hero scions. >Maybe he defended when there were none to harm him?

Like Valg said, scions are normally the least in membership in comparison to any other cabal. We're only allowed to induct so many members and especially latly we've been getting applications like mad. We induct who is fit, if someone better comes along they have to wait till something opens up. Normally things will because getting in scion and staying in scion are two entirly different things. With applicants almost literally sitting in line for a spot in the Chasm, normally the good/bad ones get weeded out through their own efforts. I'm not going to sit here and say Scion is the l33t? cabal because by all means it's not. What I will say is during the last few months there have been handfuls of terrific players that have been in Scion. I won't even begin naming them because I will leave some out and there are just to many great players that have been through. With such small membership there's a lot of individuality there. That's the basis of the cabal in many ways. Everyone joins a cabal for their own reasons, but Scion is an expanded version of that. You got Imperials joining for order for their own reason, fighting for that goal and that goal alone and you have LARGE numbers of Imperials at that. I think Scion hit it's max at one point of time just shortly before I managed to Imm that was in low teens mortal wise. Almost each different person joined Scion for almost entirly different reasons. You goal in mind but could be accomplished in almost any way they wanted which that in itself showed individuality for each person. The people seperate on their way to doing this weither it seems like it or not. And much like what Khas said below. Empire isn't entirly meant for specific individuality. You'll get people through there that absolutly can't be avoided for one reason or another but even Urog kept his hero thief title through Empire if I'm not mistaken. I myself never got any special title other than Disciple of Zurcon, which wasn't technically a 'given' and Advisor of the Chasm, which was much like your Imperial Shadow Lord title. I'm not trying to push buttons or start a little flame war, and I can't say you did or didn't deserve a title just for the fact that you never talked to me other than some insults or threats or something like that every great once in a while. What I can say, is that the Scions that have titles, each and everyone deserved them and I think others up and coming and some already there will be deserving some as well. Saying that it's lame that they got their own titles isn't entirly fair considering you didn't interact with almost any of them as you said. Scion isn't that machine that just runs around killing people anymore which you may or may not know, the new path generally forces people to have an RP or they don't stay in which I tried to make sure of. Don't know if that helps any or just pisses you off, but just tryin to give a hand.

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