And I also get where you said on the other thread that this cabal concept isn't really working in CF.

It isn't so much that I have a hard time wrapping my head around the concept, as I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how that concept can work in a fun and playable way in CF. I'm not sure that it can.

Regarding the Magic vs Freedom thing, I do get what you're saying. But my counterpoint is that you cannot be wholly devoted to both concepts.. there is a point where they contradict (in this case - conjurers). You have to pick one to be the priority. From the conjurer issue (and the helpfile), it's clear that freedom is more important to Entropy than unrestricted magic. Yet the cabal is still limited to (some) mages, and in practice (by your own admission) it doesn't actively fight for freedom... members only raid the magic-hating cabal, not the civilization-focused ones. So it seems like the priorities and the goals of the cabal in theory vs in practice aren't aligned.

I think the focus needs to be clearly directed in one way or another (my preference: towards magic), so that the playerbase knows what they should be focused on. Right now, it's tough to play an Entropist role because it's tough to even define what an Entropist's perfect world would look like.


PS. If you want to get rid of the chaotic stupid mindset, please please please get rid of the Beer Elemental. It makes no sense for a lot of reasons and at this point, the joke is pretty stale.