I remember there being something about certain forms being linked so that if you recieved something as a second tier form then it removed a certain other shape as the first tier form. Is there a list somewhere that shows it, or is that a secret info?

>I remember there being something about certain forms being
>linked so that if you recieved something as a second tier form
>then it removed a certain other shape as the first tier form.
>Is there a list somewhere that shows it, or is that a secret
>info?

I don't believe there is a list, nor is it really secret information, more like common sense.

If you get turtle, you won't get armadillo, since the forms are basically identical.

For the last time. I swear :)

Dribbled three times up the court, heaved up a half-court shot and it swished for the game winner. Go Team Immortal.

Some of the 3rd and 4th tier forms are redundant across foci. I can't remember what the specific combo was but I want to say I once got 3rd tier forms that were grizzly and polar bear. They did almost exactly the same thing. I think that grizzly bear has been reassigned since then, but none the less it's something to think about?

And the infrastructure in place for it doesn't really allow it either, so there'd be an overhaul necessary for that. As it stands, I'm not that worried about cross-foci redundancy.

but after having two off/off shifters both with cold forms for 2nd tier and a util/util with two monkey forms...I'm not too happy about shifters.

That's 3 out of four shifters I've tried to make that have been screwgied, especially considering that I wanted to sit in the 30s and pk with all of them. Bad redundancy.

Redundant focus choices (util/util & off/off) which you have opted for. You are the minority here, and honestly I'd be more inclined to not allow you to choose the same focuses for both.

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I'm going to roll up 100 shifters with redundant foci. Mwuahaha.

And they're all going to be Zulgh followers.

sd

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A monkey shapeshifts into.... a monkey?

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So if you get the bear as your 2nd tier form you will not get it as your 1st tier.
Same thing, badger & wolverine are very similar and you cannot get them both.

I can think of some examples beyond these but I dont think they are nessicary.

First and last time I played a util/util shifter, let me tell you. Not only were 3 of my last 4 forms near identical, but I just don't LIKE the way the monkeys play either, heh.

Even had an Imm tell me in the desc room that I had an "interesting" form set. So I powerleveled up as quick as I could to see what awesome formset I had :P

I had a shifter defense forms of Araile Lizard, Tuara Lizard, Sand Lizard and then Diamondback. It meshed well with Ram but defensively I lacked options, heh.