A few days ago someone, I forgot who, and I were discussing arials and wood elves.

Wood elves have almost identical stats with arials, yet, their xp penalty is much higher, even though they're already neutral.

Why is that? Is it the high charisma? Shouldn't human bards in that case get some massive xp penalty too? Or maybe it's the amazing acute vision, which keeps you relatively safe from one class in the game? No, that couldn't be it, arials have fly, and I'd go with perma-fly over acute vision-type any day.

Vuln wise, vuln_water/lightning is just about as bad as iron, depending on what you fight of course. I guess as a defender, you'd rather have the arial vulns than iron, to give one example.

So why the extra 150 xp?

A few days ago someone, I forgot who, and I were discussing arials and wood elves.

Wood elves have almost identical stats with arials, yet, their xp penalty is much higher, even though they're already neutral.

Why is that? Is it the high charisma? Shouldn't human bards in that case get some massive xp penalty too? Or maybe it's the amazing acute vision, which keeps you relatively safe from one class in the game? No, that couldn't be it, arials have fly, and I'd go with perma-fly over acute vision-type any day.

>Personally I'd take acute vision over perma-fly any day. I can always fly when I want to in game with a non-arial. I can't always see that ranger.

Vuln wise, vuln_water/lightning is just about as bad as iron, depending on what you fight of course. I guess as a defender, you'd rather have the arial vulns than iron, to give one example.

> Not at all. Weapon vulns are much easier for certain classes to defend against. Defensive specs, for example, even though pincers etc are still in the picture. Elemental vulns are much easier for invokers to deal with. You can't just say vuln x is worse than vuln y without thinking of who is going to be dealing with the vuln.

So why the extra 150 xp?

> Partly to keep the race more rare. Partly because wood-elves have something other races cannot get. Arials have something other races can get.

Iron is a much much worse Vuln then water/lightning. Your forgetting it also limits what weapons/armor you use and use of things like iron keys. Also Iron is 10x more prevelant then water and lightning and can not be compensated for like lightning and water to a lesser extent can be. And now with hydrophobia arials can even go underwater for short periods of time.

I fully appreciate iron vuln.

(Bad info snipped.)

Iron vuln on a fighting class is far less dangerous than an elemental vuln (assuming you are not an invoker).

care to let me know which bit of that was bad info?

The only bit I can think that might be is saying that wood-elves can get flight whilst arials can't get acute vision, which, if not true, is certainly the case for most players.

"I'm currently playing X", where X is very specific.

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

I quite often use the first person when putting a case, even if I am not the person in question.

I'm pretty sure that if that post gave the impression of who I was playing, it won't actually be who I am playing, but thanks for removing it just in case I did give something away.

I'd rather have a metal vuln than an elemental vuln anyday. That weapon can always be taken out of the picture one way or another. Not so for elements.

Now, if vokers or mobs ever get the Cone of Iron spell, I may be concerned.