>>Not aware of the incident and I'm sure there are cheaters in
>>#dangeroom but I dont think Leud is one. Except for the odd
>>perma ranking group here and there.
>
>The place is a horrid pit of cheating. Leud does cheat, he's
>admits to doing things that are cheating, he just won't admit
>they're cheating, or plays it off as not mattering because
>it's not Really Serious Cheating.

AIM is a horrid pit of cheating too. No one really seems to complain about this. I guess IRC is a convenient scapegoat, especially if you have AIM, ICQ, MSN, etc. on your computer.

Do you? Well then it's just as likely you cheat as anyone else. At least that's my "best guess."

>>And no Valg I dont hate the imms or you, belive it or not.
>>This is no damn war between players and imms and you dont
>need
>>to hate and insult the players for trying to find solutions
>to
>>the problem.
>
>This thread doesn't look like players problem-solving. It
>looks like people whining and crying because they have a sense
>of entitlement to quests they solved with other characters
>(and I bet a few of the people here just want their OOC quest
>info sharing to work better).

Yes, it does. Personally, I don't really care about quests all that much. I do one quest as a lowbie and that's it. If it went away, well then I'll dog the 5k EXP another way. It is sad that these things get posted. It doesn't ruin my fun, but it ruins the fun of other people and that does detract from the game.

What I am complaining about is you and others setting judgement on people who may not even be deserving of it.

>It's ridiculous to say you're getting screwed because the
>quest you've always done doesn't give you the same reward
>anymore. And the newbies/first time quest explorers aren't
>the ones who are going to be getting killed, because they'll
>be going more slowly and paying attention to what's going on.

If a former quest is now a deathtrap then good. That makes me laugh. I also liked it when the Galadon guard commander went on rampages killing people. Call me sadistic.

>Re: guilt by association:
>In a perfect world, everyone is evaluated indiviudally. But
>since real life people can't possibly do that, they have to
>make best guesses. Best guess is that if you frequent the
>library, you're someone who reads. If you frequent IRC, best
>guess is that you're a cheater.

In some cases, your best guess is wrong. Do you take that into account? It's one thing to disbelieve what someone tells you, but it's another to stick your nose up in the air and not listen at all.

>It might not be true, but it would be pretty stupid to guess
>that the guy who visits the library every monday doesn't read,
>even if you never actually catch him with a book.
>
>Bottom line: The imms make this game, and are within their
>rights in doing whatever they want (with the game) to protect
>their time/energy/emotional investment.

I agree.