>Although I do need to make the point that Daevryn and I don't
>see eye-to-eye on the lying bit. I've never thought lying was
>unjustifyable on an Orderly Evil char.

I wouldn't say unjustifiable to me; more on the scale of, say, killing good characters as a good character. There are some characters of that alignment that will never do it, there are probably mostly characters of that alignment that will do it in certain special circumstances, and a character who does that thing constantly probably isn't actually that alignment.

Put it another way: I can't conceptually come up with a compulsive liar OE character, but I've definitely seen some compulsive liar characters that picked the OE alignment/ethos.