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Topic subjectRE: I've been meaning to respond to this.... (Nepenthe's)
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320, RE: I've been meaning to respond to this.... (Nepenthe's)
Posted by nepenthe on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM

>What crimes
>should I be charged with?

Hypothetically, no one would ever find your body, so this is immaterial. :) Moving on!

>You don't own children.

This isn't entirely true in a legal sense. For example, you're certainly responsible for their actions after a fashion until they're legally adults.

>You may own your dog, but you don't get to beat it and starve
>it to death.

No; however, you may legally have it put down for no greater reason than deciding you don't want it. This is in line with my analogy.

> You certainly don't get to do those things
>(legally) to children... so long as they've exited the womb.
>Before that, you get to kill them indiscriminately? I don't
>think so.

If you're assuming they're children from the moment of conception, then I would generally agree with you. I don't assume that, however.

Your statement also assumes that abortions are totally free and legal up to the minute of birth, which you obviously know isn't true.

>One last disturbing point. If I walk up to a pregnant woman
>and punch her in the stomach, resulting in a miscarraige, I
>don't get charged with battery... Manslaughter is probably
>the minimum, and that's *assuming* I didn't do it for that
>purpose. I wish I had PJ's ability to find case law, because
>I'm betting this has happened somewhere, but I'll leave that
>up to someone else. The point is that I *should* be charged
>with something beyond battery, and anyone who thinks
>differently isn't in favor of abortion, just like in the
>previous situation...

You're implying that this is a double standard, but you have to make some inconsistent assumptions for that to be the case.

An obviously pregnant woman is most likely far enough along that an abortion wouldn't be legal unless not having it would kill the mother.

>For what I understand, the number of people looking to adopt
>is rather insanely high compared to those who are willing to
>put their child up for adoption.... #### you don't even have
>to raise the unwanted child, but you ####ed up, you made the
>choice, now live with 9 months of consequences. It's the
>least you can do.

This is easy to say when you're a man. That doesn't inherently make it wrong, but it's easy to have an opinion about how to handle a situation you'll definitely never be in.

In my ideal world, very few abortions would occur, and all for good reasons. However, that doesn't mean I'm in favor of making laws to require that. I'm especially not in favor of making laws, in essence, based on your gut-feeling opinion of when a person's life begins.

>Also, people who are so poor that their children are growing
>up to be violent criminals aren't getting abortions. They
>can't afford the abortion. Another child means more welfare.
>Plus they obviously don't care. People who are getting
>abortions are middle class people who just aren't willing to
>accept the consequences of their actions.

Right. All poor people are greedy parasites who view children as sources of income. I was silly to not see the truth of that.