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88271, About raiding
Posted by Gzurweeg on Wed 31-Dec-69 07:00 PM
>As Frorania, I don't deny that I've said something about you
>being cowardly and wimpy, which is because 90% of the time
>you're always with someone.

Which is quite innaccurate.

>1) You hardly solo raid, as a duergar ap empire, wouldn't it
>be the case that you take all the items that belongs to
>emperor rp wise?

About raiding
I actually had a deep reasoning in how I approached raiding. I didn't address it in my farewells, so I will try to explain myself here. I understand that many would disagree, but I did put some time into thinking about it and I hope that people would put some time into thinking about it too before jumping to conclusions or blaming me.

RP wise it would be nice to raid as much as possible. But gameplaying wise it would be bad.
I know that I didn't raid as much as I could and I guess Twist noticed that too :).
But my reasoning was completely different from what many would think.
From the gameplaying point of view raiding is designed to make conflicts in CF and give people more opportunities to fight each other. Thus, I tried to balance between RP requirements (raid as much as possible) and gameplaying for everybody (myself including).

Below I'm going to put several reasons of me avoiding to raid. Keep in mind that those are just general guidelines and in each specific circumstances I could act differently (there are too many factors to talk about them all).
- Various obvious reasons. Like not being able to raid solo without long resting or not being able to raid because of strong opposition.
Being out of wands or having less than ~50 charges. These numbers may very depending on eq and cabals. For example, Spirit requires more efforts as he is resistant to many weapons or Destructor may go crazy.
- I usually avoided raiding when there were no opposition. RP wise it would be a cool opportunity to take items freely, but gameplaying wise it often results people of opposite cabal to logout or not login when otherwise they could. Ultimately, it works against the major idea of cabal system: to promote fighting.
I guess imperial imms were thinking about me being lazy and I can't really oppose this IC/RP wise. Still, I usually let it slide if I felt I could get away with it. Plus, afterall, it is boring and waste of wand charges.
- no defenders against low level retrievers. Because of me being scary, my enemies tend not to defend at all (nor come to retrieve) if there were lowbies who could do that instead. As a player, I understand them and I tried not to abuse this "hit the outer and call them to fight" tactic that much.
- I tried not to stomp a guy who already had rough time and perhaps died severals times in raiding/retrievals prior to that.

>2) There was ONCE that I SAW that you solo raid against Fort,
>when I arrived back to Fort you have finished watcher, I
>attacked you, but you ran out? As a duergar ap empire,
>wouldn't it be your duty to finish the defenders of your enemy
>cabals?

I think I remember that, so here is the log.
The real reason of me leaving:
You were no match for me and I respected you for your pre-maran behavior. I could easily stay and destroy you, but I didn't feel that I want to punish you for coming to defend against a badass AP solo. And I also think you were worth 0 charges at that point, so I didn't even had *that* excuse too.


>3) You don't really avoid Frorania, you came, only with
>numbers, with Glurgick, with Ahtieli etc etc.

I hope you understand that with the number of charges I had, you didn't have any chance. Not sure what makes you think I were afraid to fight you solo.
If I came with numbers, it wasn't to kill you, it was raiding for the item. I couldn't say IC to Glurgick: "Sorry, cow, I don't want to raid Fortress". If he asks to help with raiding I had no choice but agree.

>4) If Frorania is conservative, she wouldn't have con died.

I think Frorania was very brave pre-maran and I respected her.
But it changed once you got maraned. Of course, I'm talking here only about things I could see from my eyes. You became much more conservative and developed mouthing.

>If she is conservative, she wouldn't run in and retrieve solo
>against Glurgick and you, ended up being successful in doing
>so.

As I said, I let it slide sometimes. Not hurrying back to defend, etc. I wasn't really interested in multikilling you.


// 08 Aug 2009
// ========================================================
// Raid vs Frorania.
// My barrier dropped at the end of raiding but I didn't bother
// to put it up again as the Watcher was nearly dead.
// If I were wanted to kill you, I would zap it right away.
// Very likely I could outdamage you even without it by simply spamming lashes.
// It was *unforced* decision to leave because I already had the Orb.
// ========================================================


[51 Felar War] (PK) [TRIBUNAL] Laugash the Legend of the Battlefield, Magistrate of Galadon
[51 Arial Inv] (PK) Shyrauk the Weaver of the Elements
[51 W-Elf Bar] (PK) Kyaltaru Tel'dethian the Despondent Dirgesinger, Inebriated Islander, Rhyme of Resistance
[51 Human Shf] (PK) Nalooth the Grand Master of Changelings
[47 Human Thi] (PK) Isylvharn the Secret, Deckhand
*51 Duerg A-P* (PK) [EMPIRE] Gzurweeg the Fist of Darkness, Imperial Dread Lord
[48 Fire A-P] (PK) Satoshi Baroke the Slayer
[51 Elf War] (PK) Frorania L'Litor the Legend of the Battlefield
[51 Human Con] (PK) Masigner Drandor the Planewalker
[49 Arial Thi] (PK) [EMPIRE] Tanpolhin Duckbill a Deckhand to the Maiden, Enforcer of Dagdan, Imperial Shadow Lord

Players found: 10


<1582 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor>
People near you:
(PK) Gzurweeg The Altar Room
The Watcher is gushing blood.

<1582 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor>
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
The Watcher narrows its eyes and glares in your direction.
The Watcher's heavenly wrath MUTILATES you!
Your shocking bite >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
Your burst of energy === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
The Watcher parries your burst of energy.
Your shocking bite >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
The Watcher is writhing in agony.

<1542 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor> lashes
You snort with anger as you cannot find an opportunity to humiliate the Watcher with a lashing.
The Watcher is writhing in agony.

<1542 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor>
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
The Watcher narrows its eyes and glares in your direction.
The Watcher's heavenly wrath MANGLES you!
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
The Watcher dodges your burst of energy.
Your shocking bite >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
The Watcher is writhing in agony.

<1461 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor> who pk
whe

You dodge the Watcher's searing light.
Blinding silvery-white flames leap from the Watcher's gauntlets, sweeping across the room!
The Watcher's holy power roasts you.
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
Your burst of energy >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
Your burst of energy >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
Your shocking bite >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
The Watcher is writhing in agony.

<1440 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor>
[51 Felar War] (PK) [TRIBUNAL] Laugash the Legend of the Battlefield, Magistrate of Galadon
[51 Arial Inv] (PK) Shyrauk the Weaver of the Elements
[51 W-Elf Bar] (PK) Kyaltaru Tel'dethian the Despondent Dirgesinger, Inebriated Islander, Rhyme of Resistance
[51 Human Shf] (PK) Nalooth the Grand Master of Changelings
[47 Human Thi] (PK) Isylvharn the Secret, Deckhand
*51 Duerg A-P* (PK) [EMPIRE] Gzurweeg the Fist of Darkness, Imperial Dread Lord
[48 Fire A-P] (PK) Satoshi Baroke the Slayer
[51 Elf War] (PK) Frorania L'Litor the Legend of the Battlefield
[51 Human Con] (PK) Masigner Drandor the Planewalker
[49 Arial Thi] (PK) [EMPIRE] Tanpolhin Duckbill a Deckhand to the Maiden, Enforcer of Dagdan, Imperial Shadow Lord

Players found: 10
The Watcher is writhing in agony.

<1440 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor>
People near you:
(PK) Gzurweeg The Altar Room
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
The Watcher narrows its eyes and glares in your direction.
The Watcher's heavenly wrath MUTILATES you!
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
Your burst of energy >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
Your burst of energy >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
Buzzing with charge an arc of lightning snaps from your weapon, arcing towards the Watcher.
Your arc of lightning === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
The Watcher is convulsing on the ground.

<1399 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor>
The Watcher's searing light maims you!
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
The Watcher parries your burst of energy.
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
Your shocking bite >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
The Watcher is convulsing on the ground.

<1363 1654 1363 3:00 waxing civilized indoor> whe
People near you:
(PK) Gzurweeg The Altar Room
(PK) Frorania Entrance to the Hall
The barrier protecting you flickers and fades away.
The Ancient Knight closes his eyes for a moment and nods at the Watcher.
The Watcher is convulsing on the ground.

<1401 1660 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
The Watcher's searing light DISMEMBERS you!
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
The Watcher narrows its eyes and glares in your direction.
The Watcher calls upon the Lords of Light, seeking retribution against you!
The Watcher's divine retribution *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
Your burst of energy >>> ANNIHILATES <<< the Watcher!
Buzzing with charge an arc of lightning snaps from your weapon, arcing towards the Watcher.
Your arc of lightning *** DEMOLISHES *** the Watcher!
The Watcher is convulsing on the ground.

<1239 1660 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
The Ancient Knight closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Frorania.
Frorania shudders slightly, and looks more vigorous.
The Watcher is convulsing on the ground.

<1239 1660 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
You parry the Watcher's searing light.
The Watcher's searing light DISMEMBERS you!
The Watcher narrows its eyes and glares in your direction.
The Watcher calls upon the Lords of Light, seeking retribution against you!
The Watcher's divine retribution *** DEVASTATES *** you!
Your shocking bite === OBLITERATES === the Watcher!
The Watcher is DEAD!!
You receive 0 experience points (20% bonus).
You receive 500 experience for a successful raid.
As the Watcher falls, a radiant crystal orb appears in your hands!

<1039 1660 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
[EMPIRE] an Imperial Centurion: Help! an enormous tuara lizard is attacking me at Along the Eastern Road!

<1039 1660 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Frorania!'
At the last moment you avoid Frorania's whip.
Frorania has a few scratches.

<1039 1660 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor> call 'sigil of pain'
You call upon the Codex and carve a Sigil of Pain onto Frorania.
Your sigil of pain devastates Frorania!
Frorania has a few scratches.

<1039 1600 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
The Ancient Knight closes his eyes for a moment and nods at Frorania.
Frorania parries your shocking bite.
Frorania parries your burst of energy.
Frorania barely manages to avoid your shocking bite.
Your burst of energy *** DEVASTATES *** Frorania!
Frorania's whip MUTILATES you!
You parry Frorania's wrath.
Frorania's necklace of prayer beads shines a bright white momentarily.
Frorania's dispel evil EVISCERATES you!
Frorania has some small but disgusting cuts.

<954 1600 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
You hop to one side, getting out of the way of Frorania's eyejab.
Frorania has some small but disgusting cuts.

<954 1600 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
Frorania parries your shocking bite and retaliates with lightning quickness!
Frorania's whip MUTILATES you!
Frorania dodges your burst of energy.
Frorania dodges your shocking bite.
Frorania dodges your shocking bite.
You parry Frorania's whip.
You parry Frorania's wrath.
Frorania's whip EVISCERATES you!
You parry Frorania's whip.
You parry Frorania's whip.
Frorania has some small but disgusting cuts.

<867 1600 1443 4:00 waxing civilized indoor> flee
Frorania gets in one more shot as you flee.
Frorania's parting blow MUTILATES you!
The Hall of Fire

[Exits: east]
The axe of a lumberjack lies here.
A tunic made of hardened leather is here.
A pair of boots made from stiff leather are here.
You flee from combat!

<825 1600 1440 4:00 waxing wilderness outdoor> rem ring
You stop using the ring of regeneration.

<825 1600 1440 4:00 waxing wilderness outdoor>
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Frorania!'
You parry Frorania's whip.
Frorania has some small but disgusting cuts.

<825 1600 1440 4:00 waxing wilderness outdoor> whe
People near you:
(PK) Gzurweeg The Hall of Fire
(PK) Frorania The Hall of Fire
Frorania has some small but disgusting cuts.

<825 1600 1440 4:00 waxing wilderness outdoor>
Your shocking bite misses Frorania.
Frorania parries your shocking bite.
Frorania twists herself around your burst of energy.
A ghostly dagger turns insubstantial, slips through Frorania's defenses, and strikes a powerful blow!
Your critical hit === OBLITERATES === Frorania!
Frorania's whip MUTILATES you!
Frorania gets in one more shot as you flee.
Frorania's parting blow maims you!
The Altar Room

[Exits: east south west]
The lingering odor of charred flesh and ozone hangs over the corpse of the Watcher.
A white marble altar surrounded with a brilliant holy radiance is here.
Chests have been placed about for spare equipment and donations.
(White Aura) A large man stands here, dressed in the robes of an Acolyte.
You flee from combat!

<753 1600 1437 4:00 waxing civilized indoor> s
s
The Grand Temple

[Exits: north south]

<753 1600 1436 4:00 waxing civilized indoor> s
s
A Light Filled Corridor

[Exits: north south]

<753 1600 1435 4:00 waxing civilized indoor> whe
The Council Chamber

[Exits: north east west up]

<753 1600 1434 4:00 waxing civilized indoor>
Alas, you cannot go that way.

<753 1600 1434 4:00 waxing civilized indoor> e
People near you:
(PK) Gzurweeg The Council Chamber
(PK) Frorania The Altar Room