Thu Jan 1 20:41:40 2004


At 9 o'clock PM, Day of the Bull, 15th of the Month of the Ancient Darkness
on the Theran calendar Oblain perished, never to return.

Race:	cloud
Class:	warrior
Level:	51
Alignment:	Neutral
Ethos:	Orderly
Cabal:	TRIBUNAL, the Blood Tribunal
Age:	471
Hours:	607
PK Ratio:	68% (closer to 100% is better)

valguarnera@carrionfields.com

I'm not going to justify as in justify, I'll merely state all the things that went through my head while I played Oblain.

I started Oblain after a 3 month break and played a cloud warrior because the last experience I had was really really fun.
Aurekrionh did well with fist and trapping and heralded a whole new breed but at a later point of time I realised it wasn't so grant and shifted to perma bash (order all rescue and bash bash bash) but the legacy got tweaked and didn't work well for most.

I'll shed my views on a few things.

Firstly the whole Indian perma things-

I didn't know there were so many twelve year olds out there. Socherion was 220 hours old I was 600+ hours old. I was a hero when he hadn't even begun his spamming, when he was a hero there were two other invokers in the spire (Blindenfrin and Ta..something elf) and then there was Kelrizza later on, so what's this all #### deal of a perma ? He must have spent no more than 25-30 hours grouped with me and for two people from the same cabal that is really normal (I've spent almost 100 hours grouped with Sheilica and Kelrizza).
He played evenings and I played mornings (he initially played mornings only so that he could rank up, since evenings don't have as much as a player base). As for the wake up when we were being raided, I'd like to see the log. He got Zhenzar and Yanacek and Ziualan to get his gearing, so I don't get any credit on that either. So to all the twelve years olds, all I can say is CHEERS, you'r doing a good job of nothingness. As for a ring, there are not cheaters and are not players enough to make a cheating ring, so stfu ? The only time we did play together was Bethrella and Quoquar, and that was when I was new and being shown about and I more often than not wilfully accept that. I played Aurekrionh, Pynona, Oblain, Altasha, Kortanlym, Frigishish, where is the 'cheating' ring gone ? I'd dare you to associate these with any other charecter, and I'd go on about it but it would just sound like justification, so nlm.


Now, back to tribunal and cf.

There were a few things I loved doing and few things I hated.

I distinctly remember when Farnsworth had deleted I flamed his post and he replied that he had no idea what I was talking about, seems I'm in a similar position.

Lets make this much clear, Drunsthol kicked out magistrates who 'mistakenly flagged people' in other words for the smallest of mistakes, so I'm pretty sure I'd be warned if I made any mistake (like I was warned when I raided the villagers and killed too many of them and took the head) So I'm sure all the rants of me misusing mypowers is ####. I did my best as a player to bring the tribunal our of dirty waters, instead of blaming that all magistrates are evil, Monduphel, you should play a goodie tribunal and try to make a mark for yourself. I attacked you because you and the paladin and the arcane were summoning evils to the river and waiting for them to float outside and the killing them, making it a cause for worry. As for your taunting and quibbling, I didn't care to reply, thus the Sounds good.

Oblains ambitions translated into rl and I feel more responsible towards life for the meantime so I shall take a six month break till I can manage a good score since I already have conditional admission from SouthHampton. I started off playing 4/5 hours a day and reduced it to 2, disciplined two hours daily.

Due to storms the lines in the city were really shaky and my connection had become really tough to deal with,so I stopped playing oblain and rolled Frigishish. Just a throw away charecter.
In a week I found myself a hero and in battle as a defender, with two good legacies and specs. My connection was not back to normal but my interest in Oblain was dull since there was a lack of immortal supervision or guidance. SO I played Frigishish another week and with the destroying of Warlocks and Nexus let himauto delete and switched to Oblain again. That was the point when I had to hide inside the guilds when Starkad came attacking since my connection gave me a 5 sec lag on each command.

Then I got to Provost, Socherion got the boot and I made it all the way to vindicator upon sheer dedication and skill (or the lack of it as some of you think).

I'm not in a mood to write much for now, but I'll post some stuff and logs onthe officials as well, later.

Till then, thanks to all the imms and players who make this game 'tolerable'.

Well,

I'll stick to the basics. There are people in this game who I hate OOC'ly, there are people my character hate, but you transcended both. I am going to unfortunately agree with the mob on this one, in the terms that you were a total jerk (out of bounds of your character). I remember times you would walk around and gather eq with your special guards. I remember times when you would attack me with your special guards out (so they would assist). The list goes on and on. I think people like you have some sort of an ego problem, that they bring to CF.

I don't like complete and utter flames, so I'll keep it simple. You were a hard opponent, if you ever fought alone. I can thank you, however, for your attempt to retrieve the head with me solely at the Shrine. I am pretty sure my success at keeping 4 tribunals from the head is what gleaned my title and reputation. I'll thank you for that. That's all I saw, so I can't say anything about 'permas' and the rest of it. In your defense, there were times when you would be around alone, I have proof of this. I don't really believe the gist about this perma grouping banter going on, so I'll just stay outta it.

Good luck on your next, and I truely mean it. CF is a community, we all have to get along and co-operate for it to work the way it should :)

>>>I'll stick to the basics. There are people in this game who I hate OOC'ly, there are people my character hate, but you transcended both. I am going to unfortunately agree with the mob on this one, in the terms that you were a total jerk (out of bounds of your character). I remember times you would walk around and gather eq with your special guards. I remember times when you would attack me with your special guards out (so they would assist). The list goes on and on. I think people like you have some sort of an ego problem, that they bring to CF.

Yes, that was in my role, to be hated by those whom I hated, cause Oblain believed hatred could be tranformed into fear eventually and that is what he planned to do. First, I did not walk with guards unless I was on tribunal duty and second I haven't killed a single mob with guards.

How the hell would you know if I used them to gear ?
Do you have an idea that I had a set of 80 dam roll and 1200 hp since even before I became vindicator, I didn't replace anything for the last 200 hours of my charecter, so stfu please ?
The only two counts I remember are when we went to arboria to learn and my guards tagged along (which I dismissed before the fight) and the instance at the in, when I got attacked and my guards assisted.

I attacked you with special guards when you attacked my group mate (agarah, remember ?) Why ? Because she was going to summon the warranted maran to me and was a part of my plan to apprehend a criminal, all instance can be described but not to those blinded by their own reasoning.

Now should I call bull #### on you ?
I have a log of you 'grouped with a mage' ranking in Darsylon and the mage went on to be a scion. Having fun already ? Let me know, if you want I'll post it.

As for me not fighting alone here is a little something....


<1118/1118hp> <398/399mana> <674/933> <standing> dash e bash ixilfaelgar
Beyond the Outskirts of Galadon


Ixilfaelgar is here.
(WANTED) Zhelrantix is here.
Rachwia is here.
You slam into Ixilfaelgar, and send him flying!
Your bash decimates Ixilfaelgar!
Ixilfaelgar yells 'Help! Oblain is bashing me!'
Ixilfaelgar has a few scratches.

<1118/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <fighting>
Your divine power MUTILATES Ixilfaelgar!
Your divine power EVISCERATES Ixilfaelgar!
Your divine power EVISCERATES Ixilfaelgar!
Ixilfaelgar's crush decimates you!
You dodge Zhelrantix's slash.
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
Ixilfaelgar has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1093/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <fighting> dash e bash ixilfaelgar
You get in one more shot on Zhelrantix as he flees.
Your parting blow EVISCERATES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix leaves east.
Zhelrantix has fled!
It starts to rain.
Ixilfaelgar has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1093/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <fighting> bash ixilfaelgar

Your divine power MUTILATES Ixilfaelgar!
Your divine power EVISCERATES Ixilfaelgar!
Your divine power EVISCERATES Ixilfaelgar!
Your divine power EVISCERATES Ixilfaelgar!
You dodge Ixilfaelgar's crush.
Ixilfaelgar's crush decimates you!
Ixilfaelgar is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1067/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <fighting>
You fail to get in one more shot as Ixilfaelgar flees.
Ixilfaelgar leaves west.
Ixilfaelgar has fled!

<1067/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <standing> They aren't here.

<1067/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <standing> bash ixilfaelgar
Ixilfaelgar has arrived.

<1067/1118hp> <398/399mana> <673/933> <standing> bash ixilfaelgar
You slam into Ixilfaelgar, and
send him flying!
Your bash decimates Ixilfaelgar!
Ixilfaelgar yells 'Help! Oblain is bashing me!'
Zhelrantix has arrived.
Ixilfaelgar is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1072/1118hp> <399/399mana> <698/933> <fighting>
Abbathen steps out of the shadows.
Zhelrantix rescues Ixilfaelgar from you!
Zhelrantix has a few scratches.

<1072/1118hp> <399/399mana> <698/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Your divine power EVISCERATES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Your divine power MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
You dodge Zhelrantix's slash.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You dodge Zhelrantix's slash.
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1072/1118hp> <399/399mana> <698/933> <fighting> flee

Zaklotel looks at Ixilfaelgar.
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1072/1118hp> <399/399mana> <698/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
You dodge Zhelrantix's slash.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1072/1118hp> <399/399mana> <698/933> <fighting> Zhelrantix gets in one more
shot as you flee.
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
Zhelrantix's parting blow === OBLITERATES === you!
PANIC! You couldn't escape!
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<895/1118hp> <399/399mana> <698/933> <fighting> flee
The Eastern Crossroads


You flee from combat!

<895/1118hp> <399/399mana> <697/933> <standing> w
Returning to your jurisdiction,
you go back on duty.
Outside the East Gate



<895/1118hp> <399/399mana> <696/933> <standing> w
Inside the East Gate


( 4) (Glowing) A silvery ring glints at you.
( 9) A blue bracer marked with a small white circle lies here.
( 5) A blue cape lies here crumpled.
( 5) A blue vest lies here, marked by a white circle.
( 2) A blue steel dagger lies here.
( 2) A blue steel sword lies here.
A pile of copper coins.
A pile of silver coins.
( 2) A water skin made of tooled leather and steel lies here.
The Slayer of Galadon is looking for the Enforcer.

<895/1118hp> <399/399mana> <694/933> <standing> w
Trade Road


Nimaray has arrived.
Zaklotel has arrived.

<895/1118hp> <399/399mana> <692/933> <standing> be
Nimaray looks at you.

<895/1118hp> <399/399mana> <692/933> <standing> ber
Your pulse races as you are
consumed by rage!

<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <642/933> <standing> w
wher
scan e
Trade Road


A large mug of spiced wine sits here.

<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <640/933> <standing> People near you:
Lalandava The Conjurer's Lecture Hall
(PK) Ekibuttan The Hall of Forms
(PK) Oblain Trade Road
Verios The Bar of the Invokers' Guild
Zaklotel Trade Road
Nimaray Trade Road

<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <640/933> <standing> You scan east.
***** Range 2 *****
An axe wielding guard patrols the battlements.
A mace wielding guard patrols the battlements.
A sword wielding elite guard patrols the battlements.
A citizen of Galadon hurries through here.

***** Range 3 *****
The Slayer of Galadon is looking for the Enforcer.

***** Range 5 *****
Rachwia is here.


<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <640/933> <standing> e
e
e
Trade Road



<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <638/933> <standing> scanInside the East Gate


( 4) (Glowing) A silvery ring glints at you.
( 9) A blue bracer marked with a small white circle lies here.
( 5) A blue cape lies here crumpled.
( 5) A blue vest lies here, marked by a white circle.
( 2) A blue steel dagger lies here.
( 2) A blue steel sword lies here.
A pile of copper coins.
A pile of silver coins.
( 2) A water skin made of tooled leather and steel lies here.
A citizen of Galadon hurries through here.


<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <636/933> <standing> scan e
Outside the East Gate


The Slayer of Galadon is looking for the Enforcer.
<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <634/933> <standing> You scan east.
***** Range 2 *****
Rachwia is here.

***** Range 4 *****
(WANTED) Zhelrantix is here.

***** Range 5 *****
Ixilfaelgar is here.

***** Range 6 *****
Kordenik is here.


<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <634/933> <standing> scan e

The Slayer leaves west.

<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <634/933> <standing> You scan east.
***** Range 2 *****
(WANTED) Zhelrantix is here.
Rachwia is here.

***** Range 5 *****
Ixilfaelgar is here.

***** Range 6 *****
Kordenik is here.


<997/1118hp> <369/399mana> <634/933> <standing> #alias 2 bash ixilfaelg
Nimaray utters the words, 'ajudirabra unsopaiqzwunsoh'.
Nimaray's eyes seem to bulge and swirl momentarily.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> #alias 2 bash ixilfaelgar
#Ok. {2} aliases {bash ixilfaelgar}.

Zhelrantix tells you 'Was going to fight you alone.'

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> who
Kordenik has arrived.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> whoi k
<46 Duerg War> (PK) Kordenik
the Master of Adamantite, Elite Imperial Blade
< 4 Elf Pal> Kerefel the Shield Bearer
<35 Arial Asn> Karachnak the Uki Goshi

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing>
Kordenik leaves west.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> r
Nimaray utters the words, 'ajudirabra unsopaiqzwunsoh'.
Zaklotel's eyes seem to bulge and swirl momentarily.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> wher
scan ePeople near you:
(PK) Kordenik Trade Road
(PK) Ekibuttan The Hall of Forms
(PK) Oblain Outside the East Gate
Verios The Bar of the Invokers' Guild
Zaklotel Outside the East Gate
Nimaray Outside the East Gate

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> scan e
You scan east.
***** Range 2 *****
(WANTED) Zhelrantix is here.
Rachwia is here.

***** Range 5 *****
Ixilfaelgar is here.


<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing>
Zhelrantix tells you 'No need to draw him into it now.'

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <659/933> <standing> e
25 copper coins have been
deposited into your account for service to the city.
You are out of your jurisdiction.
The Eastern Crossroads


.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <658/933> <standing> scan e
You scan east.
***** Range 1 *****
(WANTED) Zhelrantix is here.
Rachwia is here.


<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <658/933> <standing> dash e dir
Nimaray scans east.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <658/933> <standing> dash e dir zhelrantix
Beyond the Outskirts of Galadon


(WANTED) Zhelrantix is here.
Rachwia is here.
You sprawl across the ground as you blunder in.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <standing> dir zhelrantix

You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Zhelrantix!'
You parry Zhelrantix's slash.
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting> Zhelrantix is blinded by the
dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches Zhelrantix.
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Your divine power MANGLES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Your divine power DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
You dodge Zhelrantix's slash.
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
Zhelrantix is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting> wea

Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
You parry Zhelrantix's slash.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You dodge Zhelrantix's slash.
Zhelrantix is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting>
Rachwia looks at you.
Zhelrantix gets a wild look in his eyes.
Zhelrantix has some small but disgusting cuts.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting> You break Zhelrantix's weapon
with a mighty blow from your axe!
Your divine power MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
Your divine power MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
Your divine power MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
You parry Zhelrantix's punch.
Zhelrantix is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix's eyes become bloodshot and his face contorts into a mask of rage!
Zhelrantix looks more enlightened.
Zhelrantix fills the air with his hatred of magic.
Zhelrantix is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting>
Nimaray: The bard comes.
Zhelrantix is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1003/1118hp> <375/399mana> <657/933> <fighting> wea
Zhelrantix wipes the dirt from his eyes.
Zhelrantix is covered with bleeding wounds.

<1007/1118hp> <379/399mana> <682/933> <fighting>
Your divine power DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Your divine power MANGLES Zhelrantix!
Your divine power DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
You parry Zhelrantix's punch.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You dodge Zhelrantix's punch.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<1007/1118hp> <379/399mana> <682/933> <fighting> wea

Zhelrantix appears stalwart as he shouts 'Death be swift!'

Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<1007/1118hp> <379/399mana> <682/933> <fighting>
Your divine power DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
You dodge Zhelrantix's punch.
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
Zhelrantix's wrath misses you.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<1007/1118hp> <379/399mana> <682/933> <fighting> You attempt to shatter
Zhelrantix's weapon, but it holds firm.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<1007/1118hp> <379/399mana> <682/933> <fighting> pincer

You get in one more shot on Zhelrantix as he flees.
Your parting blow EVISCERATES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix leaves west.
Zhelrantix has fled!

<1007/1118hp> <379/399mana> <682/933> <standing>
Zhelrantix has arrived.
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Zhelrantix!'
Zhelrantix's punch DISMEMBERS you!
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <678/933> <fighting>
Rachwia looks at you.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <678/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Your divine power DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
You parry Zhelrantix's punch.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's punch.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <658/933> <fighting> Your axes get tangled up before
you can try your move.
Your brutal attack misses Zhelrantix.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <658/933> <fighting>
You fail to get in one more shot as Zhelrantix flees.
Zhelrantix leaves west.
Zhelrantix has fled!

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <658/933> <standing>
someone: where did everyone go?

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <658/933> <standing> pincer
w
Zhelrantix has arrived.
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Zhelrantix!'
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <658/933> <fighting>
Nimaray: East gate.
Zhelrantix is gushing blood.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <658/933> <fighting> pincer
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Your divine power DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix's wrath misses you.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix is writhing in agony.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <634/933> <fighting> pincer
You drive your axes into both
sides of Zhelrantix's body.
Your brutal attack MANGLES Zhelrantix!
Your brutal attack MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix is writhing in agony.

<951/1118hp> <379/399mana> <634/933> <fighting>
Your divine power misses Zhelrantix.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix's acidic bite MANGLES you!
Zhelrantix is writhing in agony.

<856/1118hp> <379/399mana> <602/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix starts a vicious series of attacks with his swords.
You manage to partially parry his attack, but are still hit.
Zhelrantix's flurry MANGLES you!
You manage to partially evade Zhelrantix's attack, but are still hit.
Zhelrantix's flurry *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You manage to partially evade Zhelrantix's attack, but are still hit.
Zhelrantix's flurry MASSACRES you!
Zhelrantix is writhing in agony.

<582/1118hp> <379/399mana> <594/933> <fighting> disemb
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix dodges your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix is writhing in agony.

<582/1118hp> <379/399mana> <574/933> <fighting> disemb

The rain ceases.
Zhelrantix is writhing in agony.

<582/1118hp> <379/399mana> <574/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Your divine power MANGLES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's wrath.
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<582/1118hp> <379/399mana> <551/933> <fighting> You drive your axes into both
sides of Zhelrantix's body.
A spray of blood erupts from Zhelrantix's wounds!
Your brutal attack MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
Your brutal attack DISMEMBERS Zhelrantix!
With an effort of will, Zhelrantix ignores their near-fatal wounds and continues
to fight!
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<582/1118hp> <379/399mana> <551/933> <fighting>
Abbathen steps out of the shadows.
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<582/1118hp> <379/399mana> <551/933> <fighting>
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power and returns an attack of his own.
Zhelrantix's acidic bite MANGLES you!
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
You dodge Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
You dodge Zhelrantix's wrath.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<482/1118hp> <379/399mana> <518/933> <fighting> disemb
You are thirsty.
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<487/1118hp> <385/399mana> <526/933> <fighting> disemb

Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
Zhelrantix parries your divine power.
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix delivers a blow of deadly force!
Zhelrantix's wrath <<< ERADICATES >>> you!
That really did HURT!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<95/1118hp> <385/399mana> <507/933> <fighting>
Rachwia looks at you.
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<95/1118hp> <385/399mana> <507/933> <fighting>
You get in one more shot on Zhelrantix as he flees.
Your parting blow MASSACRES Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix leaves west.
Zhelrantix has fled!

<95/1118hp> <385/399mana> <507/933> <standing> e
e
e
e
e

Aiekooso tells you 'I have returned.'

<95/1118hp> <385/399mana> <507/933> <standing>
Zhelrantix has arrived.
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Zhelrantix!'
You parry Zhelrantix's acidic bite.
Zhelrantix is convulsing on the ground.

<95/1118hp> <385/399mana> <507/933> <fighting> You attempt a sweeping gut shot!
You +++DISEMBOWEL+++ Zhelrantix!
Zhelrantix is DEAD!
You hear Zhelrantix's death cry.

I wanted the thread to end there, but seeing as you want to just prolong my almost polite death message to you, I'll just say this - I am not the only one who thought ill of you. Did I ever show it IC? I think I stuck it to the confines of my character. I believe your character was pointless, powerseeking, but I am not going to go on what I THINK your character was about - thats just stupid of me. If you feel that you have logs 'proving Kackrik is truly not worthy of the Village', you can just save them. No one wants to see them (nor are they relevant whatsoever).

I'm done speaking on this thread. Reply all you want.

This highly-edited log wherein a spelled-up Oblain kills Zhelrantix with Nimaray a step or two away sure debunks your spurious accusations of him not fighting alone. Thank god I didn't make any similar accusations, or he might have dropped a bomb like this on me.

>The only two counts I remember are when we went to arboria to learn and my guards tagged along (which I dismissed before the fight) and the instance at the in, when I got attacked and my guards assisted.


This isn't you being attacked and your guards assisting. This is you rescuing someone who was attacking a non criminal amd then ordering your guards to rescue you from the bouncer.


(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Soucivi yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Tygart!'
A dwarf bouncer yells 'There will be no fighting in the bar, Tygart!'

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Soucivi's divine power DISMEMBERS Tygart!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Tygart tries to land a stunning blow on Soucivi but misses.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Tygart gets in one more shot on Soucivi as she flees.
Tygart's parting blow MASSACRES Soucivi!
Soucivi leaves east.
Soucivi has fled!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
A dwarf bouncer's crush maims Tygart!
A dwarf bouncer's crush DISMEMBERS Tygart!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Oblain rescues Tygart from a dwarf bouncer!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Drackal says 'heey gaargaargh hoow yaa dooiing'

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Oblain's wrath *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Stanach laughs heartily.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's wrath MANGLES a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
A dwarf bouncer's crush devastates Oblain!
A dwarf bouncer's crush maims Oblain!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Tygart leaves east.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!
A dwarf bouncer's crush MUTILATES Oblain!
A dwarf bouncer tries to disarm Oblain, but fails.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Grumeli glances at Oblain.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Oblain leaves north.
Oblain has fled!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
The special guard's slash MASSACRES a dwarf bouncer!
A dwarf bouncer's crush devastates the special guard!
The special guard leaves west.
The special guard has fled!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Stanach gets a shot of smooth whiskey.
Stanach gets a shot of smooth whiskey.
Stanach gets a bottle of berry beer.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
The special guard's slash DISMEMBERS a dwarf bouncer!
A dwarf bouncer's crush devastates the special guard!
The special guard leaves west.
The special guard has fled!

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Tygart wields a mithril pike.

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl) where
People near you:
(PK) Tygart The Bar of the Eternal Star
(PK) Durendal The Bar of the Eternal Star
Stanach The Bar of the Eternal Star
Oblain The Common Area
Grumeli The Bar of the Eternal Star
Drackal The Bar of the Eternal Star
(PK) Gargargh The Bar of the Eternal Star

(902hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Tygart lowers a mithril pike and charges you!
A dwarf bouncer yells 'There will be no fighting in the bar, Tygart!'
Tygart's charge *** DEVASTATES *** you!
You yell 'Help! Tygart is charging me!'
Tygart has some small but disgusting cuts.

(751hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Stanach gives a bottle of berry beer to a dwarf bouncer.
Tygart has some small but disgusting cuts.

(751hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Soucivi steps out of the shadows.
Soucivi kicks Tygart out of the bar for brawling.
Stanach gives a shot of smooth whiskey to a dwarf bouncer.

(751hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Stanach gives a shot of smooth whiskey to a dwarf bouncer.

(751hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl) spine
You must be in combat to attempt to break someone's spine.

(751hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl) Drackal says 'yeeaah II heeaard'

(751hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Stanach shivers and suffers.
Stanach's alcohol poisoning injures him.

(761hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
A dwarf bouncer yells 'Oblain! Now you die!'
A dwarf bouncer tries to disarm Oblain, but fails.

(761hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl) where
People near you:
(PK) Durendal The Bar of the Eternal Star
(PK) Soucivi The Bar of the Eternal Star
Stanach The Bar of the Eternal Star
Oblain The Bar of the Eternal Star
Grumeli The Bar of the Eternal Star
Drackal The Bar of the Eternal Star
(PK) Gargargh The Bar of the Eternal Star

(761hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Oblain's cleave MANGLES a dwarf bouncer!
Oblain's wrath misses a dwarf bouncer.
Oblain's cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** a dwarf bouncer!

(761hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl)
Drackal says 'yoouu knoow'

(761hp 324m 697mv 19149tnl) roll

Oblain leaves east.
Oblain has fled!

At first I absolutely hated you and despised every thing you did. Then I realized you weren't going anywhere. Then we got along a bit, I'd say. More or less enemies respectful of each other, even if you backed down from many offers for a honorable duel.

Anyhow, back to the point. One day, Starkad killed you. Then he took things from your corpse, and gave them to Vaessima and I while we were leveling (on our way to the past, to be exact). Then you wanted me, and possible Vaessima too. From level 24ish to my last con, you would never admit you wrongfully flagged me. You didn't explain it either, you just said I looted your corpse.

I don't mean to start another ####storm (you're a fun opponent and all), but little things like that begin to add up. You were a bit heavy-handed with the flags, though whether or not it was roleplay or human error I don't know. You never explained it enough for me to even begin to make a decision.

Eventually, I thought you'd heroimm, like every other hero.. er.. well-played character.

Well played anyway. I interacted with Quo/Beth/Oblain with every hero I've had. Probably has something to do with our playing times.

Good fun,

Tich/Esch

If there's any position in the mud that causes complaints, it's a Tribunal who lays many criminals to rest. Couple that with being a Vindicator and it's nearly a certainty that people will say or believe anything which justifies whatever hardships they encountered in the game due to your efforts.

I enjoyed your character. You were pretty aggressive, and that probably caused a good bit of dislike towards your character, but that isn't really a bad thing in my opinion. I could tell you got bored sometimes and tried to drum up a little controversy with others in order to relieve that boredom.

I'd wish you good luck on your next character, but apparently it's your new year's resolution to quit. Instead I'll wish you good luck on your resolve not to play cf.

It would be one thing if you said you made a few but everyone does, because its true, everyone messes up somewhere. But since you insist you never messed up and this goes for Zaklotel doubly :

(631/631hp 161/620m 699/839mv civilized 6 AM) n
People near you:
Taliendra A dark and smoky attic
Cahruu Temple Square
Kejede River Road
(PK) Kelrizza A dark and smoky attic
(PK) Beltantis Market Square
(PK) Worint Warrior's Bar
Aracainis Entrance to the Warrior's Guild
Elvasar At the Altar
Kisdra At the Altar
Lialnst The Training Grounds and Battlefield

(631/631hp 161/620m 699/839mv civilized 6 AM) High Road
Here the avenue connects with the market square to the south to form a
large, bustling place of commerce. A vegetable shop lies to the west while
a cartographer's store lies to the east. The road continues to the north.


A cityguard is strolling through here, keeping the peace.
A poor, abused dog is here.

(631/631hp 161/620m 696/839mv civilized 6 AM) n
High Road
The cobblestone avenue passes between the Paladin's Guild to the west and
the headquarters of the guard to the east. You feel a sudden urge to devote
yourself to being good. The road is well-kept through here as it passes from
the park to the north towards the market square to the south.



(631/631hp 161/620m 693/839mv civilized 6 AM) sca e
You scan east.
***** Range 2 *****
Kordenik the duergar is here.
The Captain of the Blood Tribunal Special Guards is here.


(631/631hp 161/620m 693/839mv civilized 6 AM) e
The Tribunal Walkway
This wide path is paved with reddish-brown bricks, raised up along the edges.
The paved walkway is lined with immaculately groomed trees that nearly form a
canopy over the path, bathing the ground in a dancing mix of sunlight and
shade. An imposing triangular tower spirals up into the air to the east of
you. It is a solid dark-gray color, and oddly, you see no signs of joints
from brick or mortar - it appears to be one solid piece of stone. The brick
walkway meets with the High Road to the west of here.



(631/631hp 161/620m 690/839mv civilized 6 AM) whe
People near you:
(PK) Kordenik The Tribunal Courtyard
(PK) Beltantis The Tribunal Walkway
(PK) Oblain The Tribunal Spire
(PK) Zaklotel The Tribunal Spire
Agarah The Tribunal Supply Depot

(631/631hp 161/620m 690/839mv civilized 6 AM) e
co wrath Kordenik
The Tribunal Courtyard
You are standing in a brick walled courtyard. The massive triangular gray
Spire rises up immediately to the east, while a path leads west toward
Galadon. Benches line the walls all the way around the courtyard at regular
intervals, but the plaza is dominated by a huge stone pedestal in the middle.
Mounted on the pedestal is a metal statue of a woman in flowing robes, her
head tilted up toward the sky and a blindfold covering her eyes. In one hand
she holds a sword, in the other a simple scale. The statue gleams in the
daylight, in stark contrast to the dull gray of the Spire.


A metal statue of a woman stands on a large stone pedestal here.
Kordenik the duergar is here.
The Captain of the Blood Tribunal Special Guards is here.

(631/631hp 161/620m 687/839mv civilized 6 AM) Kordenik yells 'Die, Beltantis, you sorcerous dog!'
You narrow your eyes and glare in Kordenik's direction.
Kordenik trembles under the force of your wrath as you tear deeply into the soul of the wicked.
Your heavenly wrath === OBLITERATES === Kordenik!
Kordenik is writhing in agony.

(631/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 6 AM)
Skanelaw: what be known of tierney
Kordenik is writhing in agony.

(631/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 6 AM) co wrath Kordenik

You parry Kordenik's crushing force.
Kordenik parries your cleave.
Kordenik is writhing in agony.

(631/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 6 AM)
Kordenik leaves west.
Kordenik has fled!

(631/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 6 AM)
Oblain has arrived.
The Captain of the Special Guards bows before Oblain.
Zaklotel has arrived.
The Captain of the Special Guards bows before Zaklotel.

(631/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 7 AM) They aren't here.

(631/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 7 AM) w

You fail to avoid Zaklotel's attack.
You can't see a thing!
Someone's kicked dirt scratches you.
You yell 'Someone just kicked dirt in my eyes!'
Someone parries your cleave and returns an attack of its own.
Someone's slash EVISCERATES you!
Someone dodges your cleave.
You parry someone's slash.
You parry someone's slash.
You parry someone's slash.
You parry someone's wrath.
You parry someone's wrath.
You parry someone's wrath.
You parry someone's wrath.
Someone is in perfect health.

(585/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 7 AM) No way! You are still fighting!
Someone is in perfect health.

(585/631hp 141/620m 687/839mv civilized 7 AM) co word
You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
You lost your concentration.
Someone sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!
Someone's bash injures you.
Someone is in perfect health.

(570/631hp 121/620m 687/839mv civilized 7 AM)
You rub the dirt out of your eyes.
Zaklotel is in perfect health.

(576/631hp 131/620m 738/839mv civilized 7 AM)
Oblain's wrath is powerless against you.
You parry Oblain's wrath.
You parry Oblain's wrath.
Zaklotel dodges your cleave.
Your cleave *** DEMOLISHES *** Zaklotel!
Zaklotel dodges your cleave.
You parry Zaklotel's slash.
You parry Zaklotel's slash.
You parry Zaklotel's slash.
Zaklotel has some small but disgusting cuts.

(576/631hp 130/620m 738/839mv civilized 7 AM) co word

You parry Oblain's wrath.
You parry Oblain's wrath.
You parry Oblain's wrath.
Zaklotel parries your cleave.
Zaklotel dodges your cleave.
You parry Zaklotel's slash.
You parry Zaklotel's slash.
You parry Zaklotel's slash.
Zaklotel has some small but disgusting cuts.

(576/631hp 130/620m 738/839mv civilized 7 AM)
Zaklotel stops using an ivory-hilted mithril longsword.
Zaklotel has some small but disgusting cuts.

(576/631hp 130/620m 738/839mv civilized 7 AM)
Zaklotel stops using a Tanic's dress blade.
Zaklotel has a few scratches.

(576/631hp 130/620m 738/839mv civilized 7 AM)
Zaklotel wields a bloody flail of bludgeoning.
Zaklotel has a few scratches.

(576/631hp 130/620m 738/839mv civilized 7 AM) You close your eyes and concentrate for a moment.
The Temple of the Sun
You stand at the northern end of the Temple of the Sun. It is a beautiful
sight with all the stained glass, frescos and statues. To the south you see
the most beautiful stained glass window above the altar. You can exit the
temple to the east.



***SNIP***

You tell Oblain 'Weak.'

Kordenik tells you 'always a loser ?'

You tell Zaklotel 'All in the spirit of justice eh?'

Oblain tells you 'The rules have changed, what you committed can be considered a crime'

Zaklotel tells you 'Nothing personal, knight.'

You tell Oblain 'How so?'

You tell Zaklotel 'What was the crime then?'

You tell Oblain 'What was the crime then?'

Zaklotel tells you 'The Provost decided not to warrent you, but I've been informed the new law states that it is our choice to warrent for attacks within the spire grounds.'

You tell Zaklotel 'Which law would that be?'

Zaklotel tells you 'The fourth.'

You tell Zaklotel 'I never passed beyond the outer guardian, or struck it.'

Zaklotel tells you 'It was tribunal ground, no? I has been updated.'

You tell Zaklotel 'So where is the justice then...justiciar? It says you must leave when asked. That is all.'

Zaklotel tells you 'I do not make the laws, I enforce them.'

<51 D-Elf Inv> (PK) Kelrizza the Weaver of the Elements, Provost Magistrate
<51 Arial War> (PK) Zaklotel the Weaponsmaster, Justiciar of Thera
<51 Cloud War> (PK) Oblain kun Quinslin the Gladiator of the Spire, Vindicator
<46 Duerg War> (PK) Kordenik the Master of Adamantite, Imperial Blade

You tell Zaklotel 'You apparently don't read them either.'

Zaklotel tells you 'Read it again. 'harm to its members'. You can always take it up with the Provost or the gods. Either way, you were not warrented. I would defend the Provost in any situation.'

You tell Zaklotel 'I'm sorry.'

You tell Zaklotel 'Kordenik is a member?'

You tell Zaklotel 'Here I thought he was a blade.'

You tell Zaklotel 'Silly me.'

Zaklotel tells you 'Is he within the spire? If so, it is at our descretion.'

You tell Zaklotel 'You wish to know what irritates me, Zaklotel?'

Zaklotel tells you 'Not particularlly, but aye.'

You tell Zaklotel 'You are born under the title Justiciar, to uphold the spirit of the law.'

You tell Zaklotel 'The spirit of justice.'

You tell Zaklotel 'What you spake unto me, bore neither. He isn't a Tribunal, you know this, he shouldn't have been hiding there.'

Zaklotel tells you 'I did not defend him, you attacked Kelrizza.'

You tell Zaklotel 'Actually no, I didn't.'

Zaklotel tells you 'I saw he screams.'

You tell Zaklotel 'Try to remember again.'

Zaklotel tells you 'Or heard them rather.'

You tell Zaklotel 'You are wholely incorrect.'

Zaklotel tells you 'If this is indeed the case, I appoligies.'

***SNIP***

Bear in mind, people have been thrown from the cabal for far less, especially from a Vindicator and Justiciar.

***Gevanter's lifetime***

Was miswarranted personally twice where the flags were removed, neither from Oblain, once from the last justiciar and once from the at the time Provost. Likewise, Oblain himself wanted at least three separate sylvans for retrieving the sapling over the course of a month.

I'm not even going to go into doing stuff like using the guards to kill mobs or carrying them around without any criminals online.

You made mistakes. I wasn't goin to go and spend time digging through logs but since you have a history of denial heres a few that I saw. That's not including the times you would strike the Maran because non-Fortress people were wanted (thinking they were of the Fortress) These are all offenses that people have gotten booted for.

Regarding Socherion, I'm not going to say much but I will say this. I was told about the situation with you and him for months. I haven't opened my mouth about it, I could care less, but if you don't want people to think you guys hook each other up you shouldn't actively tell people OOC that you two know each other. You guys hunted together, were in the same cabal, and shared the same times. If people then also know that you know each other OOC how does that look?

If it looks like ####, smells like #### and feels like #### you don't need to taste it. Keep your nose clean and there won't be problems.

The only Tribunal mistake was Zaklotel's, and a minor one at that. I told him that this was his jurisdiction, not that you shouldn't be warranted. He must have missed it. I believe when he said that you attacked Kelrizza, he simply typed Kelrizza instead of Kordenik. Or perhaps he thought you actually did attack Kelrizza and since Kelrizza didn't flag you, you shouldn't be flagged.

Anyways, immediately after that, the laws were clarified as to intrusion in the Spire. If you or anyone else did that again at any time after that point, you would be warranted immediately. Don't you think it would be a little ridiculous that the heart of the laws is unprotected territory while the city just outside of it is not?

Either you should have been a criminal for attacking Kordenik and Oblain and Zaklotel were justified for attacking you, or that area is unprotected and Oblain and Zaklotel were completely in their rights for attacking you in the same spot that you attacked Kordenik. Which is it?

First of all, now you can't get into the spire unless you're a tribunal. They blocked off the entrance. Secondly, that's never been a protected area. The reason for this is because of retrievals. If I go to retrieve and you're standing there, I can attack you. I didn't bother to search through my logs for the rest of the convo, you are mistaken on Zaklotel's thoughts. I know he mistook you for him, because he told me that outright. Oblain stated, 'I wasn't really paying attention', great job, you're bashing away at someone as a Vindicator who did nothing wrong.

Pretty sad that you don't know the laws either actually. Kordenik wasn't protected there, at all.

I know the laws pretty well. They've changed very slightly, and what you spoke of is entirely incorrect. If anything, Kordenik should've been told to leave and I asked to leave.

When you have a flag next to your name you are on duty. Protected areas are defined nicely in the laws.

Appended :

(616/631hp 64/620m 319/839mv civilized 10 AM) help laws
LAWS LAW
The laws of the land that shall be enforced by the Blood Tribunal are
as follows:

*** The areas that are defined as protected by the jurisdiction of the Law
are the entirety of Galadon, Hamsah Mu'tazz, the Ruined City of Tar Valon,
and Seantryn Modan.

1. Murder, Theft and Looting in a protected city are against the law. This
includes looting the pit of equipment that is not your own. You will be held
responsible for your groupmate's actions.

2. No offensive area spells or harmful powers will be used in any protected
area. This includes area spells from charmed, summoned or attacked
creatures.

3. Aiding known criminals in any way by directly giving them equipment,
helping them to elude punishment, killing tribunal guards, etc. will result
in a WANTED flag.

4. Participating in an assault upon the Spire itself is considered a
criminal act. Specifically, this means striking at the Tribunal guardians
or aiding others to do so is illegal, as is passing beyond the Tribunal

outer guardians and into the Spire itself at any time. If you are
standing at the entrance to the Spire without attempting to go beyond the
guardian or harm members of the Spire, you may be warned to leave by a
Magistrate, then you will be flagged if you remain beyond a resonable time
required to obey. The only time an assault on the outer guardian of the
Blood Tribunal is legal is if the Tribunal holds your cabals item of power.

5. It is illegal to attack guildguards within a protected area.

Members of the Blood Tribunal will carry out enforcement of these laws.
Being that the punishment of a criminal is the supreme lawful act,
Tribunal members may set aside any of the above laws during the course
of their duties, as long as innocents are not harmed.

Galadon, Hamsah Mu'tazz, the Ruined City of Tar Valon, and Seantryn Modan
are defined by the 'where protector' command.

These were cut out of the same log. You are wrong.

>First of all, now you can't get into the spire unless you're a tribunal. They blocked off the entrance.

Untrue. The entrance is part of the Spire.

>The reason for this is because of retrievals

This has nothing to do with a retrieval, so ignore that point.

>Secondly, that's never been a protected area.

That doesn't matter. The Spire and the laws have changed.

>I didn't bother to search through my logs for the rest of the convo, you are mistaken on Zaklotel's thoughts. I know he mistook you for him

That was part of my point. Read, comprehend and all that. From my previous post: "Or perhaps he thought you actually did attack Kelrizza and since Kelrizza didn't flag you, you shouldn't be flagged."

>Oblain stated, 'I wasn't really paying attention', great job, you're bashing away at someone as a Vindicator who did nothing wrong.

See my bolded point in my previous post. Whether or not he was paying attention is irrelevant.

>Pretty sad that you don't know the laws either actually. Kordenik wasn't protected there, at all.

See my point about laws changing.

>I know the laws pretty well. They've changed very slightly, and what you spoke of is entirely incorrect. If anything, Kordenik should've been told to leave and I asked to leave.

You may have KNOWN the laws pretty well, but you obviously are too close minded to understand the law as it is. The laws may be defined, but everything is open to interpretation. Nothing that was done here falls outside an interpretation of the laws as they are.

>When you have a flag next to your name you are on duty. Protected areas are defined nicely in the laws.

Now AND at that point in time you have the flag next to your name in the Spire. There is a possibility that this occurred during a brief time during the reconstruction of the Spire when the area was flagged incorrectly and Tribunals were not on duty in the Spire. That was fixed for the next reboot.

But that doesn't really matter, as you never answered the most important statement I had in my previous post. I'll repost it here so that there's a chance you may read it:

Either you should have been a criminal for attacking Kordenik and Oblain and Zaklotel were justified for attacking you, or that area is unprotected and Oblain and Zaklotel were completely in their rights for attacking you in the same spot that you attacked Kordenik. Which is it?

As a Vindicator, you are the wrath of the law. Vindicators is a hard position to get, because its not merely a bounty hunter. You need to be responsible. If I rolled a vindicator today and raided opposing cabals with no criminals, took my guards out ranking, and etc. with an Immortal watching me I would be booted or at the least, being that Astein isn't around anymore, given a stern talking to.

***
>First of all, now you can't get into the spire unless you're a tribunal. They blocked off the entrance.

Untrue. The entrance is part of the Spire.

-That is *at the guardian*. It wasn't at the time of this log, today's standards are irrelevant to the point of whether Oblain made a mistake. The log couldn't have happened today so what relevance does your statement have? You cannot be before the guardian now, you're either at it or not there.

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>The reason for this is because of retrievals

This has nothing to do with a retrieval, so ignore that point.

-The reasoning has everything to do with if you understand the laws or not. A Vindicator should understand the laws, they're not your typical every day order-takers.

>Secondly, that's never been a protected area.

That doesn't matter. The Spire and the laws have changed.

-Read the laws taken from the log attached. It was not a protected area, clearly. It does matter.

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>I didn't bother to search through my logs for the rest of the convo, you are mistaken on Zaklotel's thoughts. I know he mistook you for him

That was part of my point. Read, comprehend and all that. From my previous post: "Or perhaps he thought you actually did attack Kelrizza and since Kelrizza didn't flag you, you shouldn't be flagged."

-A justiciar is the 'master of investigation'. If the master of investigation cannot figure out the laws, he shouldn't be considered a master of investigation at all. 'I saw/heard the screams' (which never occurred), what part of that is Justiciar material? If he made another mistake on top of that (assuming that only the person who gets attacked has the right to place the warrant) then that's proving the point more that he frankly didn't know what the hell he was doing.

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>Oblain stated, 'I wasn't really paying attention', great job, you're bashing away at someone as a Vindicator who did nothing wrong.

See my bolded point in my previous post. Whether or not he was paying attention is irrelevant.

-He's responsible for hunting and slaying of criminals, not gallavanting around attacking non-criminals and dropping bashes based on flawed logic. Vindicators are never off duty, every person they attack as soon as the Vindicator tag is on the edge of their name should be someone incurring the wrath of the law. Either someone whose attacked them first, a frequent raider, cabal enemy, wanted person (the only people they should actively use guards for) or someone who the wrath of the law should be striking. They can't just sit on eastern killing everyone, they are no longer lap dogs to imperials or any other cabal except to the tribunal itself.

It all has to do with competancy, clearly he had very little.

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>Pretty sad that you don't know the laws either actually. Kordenik wasn't protected there, at all.

See my point about laws changing.

- Read the laws from that log and tell me which one I broke.

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>I know the laws pretty well. They've changed very slightly, and what you spoke of is entirely incorrect. If anything, Kordenik should've been told to leave and I asked to leave.

You may have KNOWN the laws pretty well, but you obviously are too close minded to understand the law as it is. The laws may be defined, but everything is open to interpretation. Nothing that was done here falls outside an interpretation of the laws as they are.

-Vindicators do not have the right to interpret the laws. Neither do Justiciars. Only carry them out, be it in finding guilty parties (Justiciars) or hunting criminals (Vindicators). The only person able to interpret the laws is the Provost, they act on those orders, if those orders term that nothing wrong was done their interference in the matter should not occur. Even Provosts may only make slight adjustment (such as rulings on Charmies) they cannot make a law where one does not exist.

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Either you should have been a criminal for attacking Kordenik and Oblain and Zaklotel were justified for attacking you, or that area is unprotected and Oblain and Zaklotel were completely in their rights for attacking you in the same spot that you attacked Kordenik. Which is it?

-I should not have been a criminal. They should not have attacked. You lose free will when you have a flag next to your name. For Vindicators, this means always. You cannot go around killing whoever you please as a Vindicator and incompetancy is not allowed. Either pay attention and figure out if an attack should be made or do not attack "I was just spamming bash" is no excuse. Just as attacking a person in town by autoassisting with your group is a crime, so is it unlawful for Vindicators to go around attacking whoever they please especially when the attack is based on something as stupid as lack of reading ability.

Much of your argument is based on one idea....

That a Vindicator should never be in pks that aren't attached to Cabal business.


I happen to agree with that statement, I believe that is how it should be. But it is clearly and patently untrue currently. The current vindicator often goes "hunting" when there is nothing else to do, and I have not heard of him being punished for it.

So if the imms of that cabal don't mind vindicators being bloodthirsty outside their job parameters, I don't think the playerbase outside the Spire should expect Vindicators to be anything but.




"Death awaits ya all, wit nasteh big pointeh teeth!"

still shouldn't use guards for non trib business.

That's like me going home and being able to tell the people who work for me to clean my house and mow my lawn.

I mean, Tribs do that all the time, depending on role. I think the things that were pissing people off were being hit with guards when they weren't criminals, seeing Oblain walking around with guards with no criminals on the mud (And yes Oblain, having a Tribunal currently, and having true sight, I'm perfectly aware of if there was or was not a criminal on at the time), seeing him use his guards to help him kill mobs for eq, or being flagged for completely bogus things.

Of the complaints, the only one I never witnessed firsthand with one character or another was the using his guards to kill mobs for eq. However, going by all of the other things I was (firsthand) privy to, and being that using his guards to kill mobs for eq is a far less grevious offense than using them to kill non criminals, I have no problem believing it.

The only problem I ever had with his out of town PKing was his choice of targets if he was alone. Without a healer or invoker joined to his hip, he would just go looking for an easy target. He seemed to have no role and would just go from being on duty and being Mr. Joe Law, to running amok and slaughtering innocent people for no reason.

The one that always bugged me the most was watching him hound Altiniel for no discernable reason. I don't see how someone with any semblance of a role who is supposed to be the protector of orderr, would just take it into his head to run into the inn and attack a Herald who is sitting there serving drinks. I know the inn isn't protected territory, but come on. Thats just really ####ty behavior for a non evil, who has no grudge and no real reason for doing it other than to be a prick.

My vindicator had gotten booted for less of a grievance. Things might be less strict now, but the real issue is competancy. When two 'elite' tribunals don't know what the hell they're doing then that says something to me.

Appended:

Bear in mind he's not evil, whats the roleplay incentive for going around randomly killing people? After you become a vindicator your perks are always on queue unless you voluntarily don't use them with exception to guards. Did he remove the badge when striking non criminal people? Did he have reasons to kill them or was it 'for fun'? Did he use vigilance while killing people? Etc. This is why its a messy topic, but the point remains that if you don't know *WHY* you're attacking people, and you're a Vindicator, you're fundamental competancy is in question.

Yes,you are entitled to your opinion on that.

But woven into Oblain role was a lot that went on around him.
When the MArans were in power they pushed Oblain around
When the village was is power they pushed Oblain around
When the Sylvans were in power they slapped Oblain around
When Oblain was in power, he now rose his share of avenging.

"My tribunals do exactly as they please." There is always a constant struggle for power in Tribunal and when the roleplay gets good, a nice rivalry between those who lean more to the good and evil sides, as well as strict to the law compared to more interpretive. Was Oblain wrong? No. Is it a traditional reason for marking someone? No. If Bria were sitting over his shoulder would she approve? Maybe, maybe not. Point is that a lot of Tribunals (Magistrates especially) seem to think that you have to play this up the ass cookie cutter type. Mind your respects when you talk to the gods, if something is iffy make sure the criminal has no room to stand on (can't prove you misflagged him), and try and be intelligent and act like a character instead of a player going "oh jeez, I don't wanna give this guy an xp penalty."

I mean seriously, do you think Yeitrai the elf would feel the least bit reluctant to make an example out of this "scoundrel" in the name of Justice? Do you think a fire giant anti-paladin would be all too displeased with himself for getting a thief killed (and made into an example) and getting away with it? And without being penalized, there is nothing inherently wrong with that unless its in your role to be a cookie-cutter by-the-book no room for interpretation lawman.

We have to play our characters too, and if you fear corrupt Tribunals that much, don't enter protected cities. The Tribunal is meant to be an outside force requested by cities to guard over them and maintain order/justice/peace/whatever. They aren't "an imm-sponsored dawn-esque group bent on making sure no one gets attacked in town". You're making a huge mistake if you think that we're a bunch of charity givers, we have our jobs and how we interpret them.

The easiest way to think of it isn't to think as if we're all a midieval police corp., instead think of us more as mercenaries. Some join for the cause, some join for the loot, but the only thing that matters is that the job gets done with the minimal amount of hassle along the way. We're trying to please our "clients" (IE: our patron cities), ourselves, and *not* trying to please Thera as a whole.

Because I messed up that post a little by not renaming Yetrai to Oblain in one place, I'll spill the beans. That was posted by you under the handle of Eskelian on Dio's board and some of the comments fly directly in the face of what you're posting now.

Here's the link:
http://www.qhcf.net/forum-2002/logs/vpost.pl?22405


Upon checking the past posts, there was a good deal of controversy over Eskelian as well. I think it may just be standard fare for a long lasting, successful Tribunal. If Oblain were truly as bad as some of these people claim, he would not have been made Provost and then Vindicator. People are booted from Tribunal by the Immortals quite often for much less egregious mistakes than what has been mentioned by a small portion of the playerbase. I attribute it to whining and justification to assuage some aggravation done to their egos.

As someone who had more direct contact with Oblain as a Vindicator than anyone else besides the Immortals, I would say I had more of a chance to judge his actions than any of you.

I'm not going to continue this debate now because I'd like to mitigate any damage done to my character due to OOC disputes. If you still have misgivings over it, we can pick up this discussion once I age die.

Few things:

1) Eskelian purposely did things which were shady. He admitted such, Oblain is doing the opposite which gives me the impression he generally didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

2) I never used guards innapropriately aside from having them with me, nor did I actively hunt non-criminals who hadn't attacked me or raided the cabal.

3.5) I never hit cabal outers unless the criminal was INSIDE using the outer to block my progress. I didn't go up there with five imperials and assist them raid hoping the criminal would *show up*. You'll notice in the rules of procedure for Vindicators that the 'whens' of attacking other cabals are made perfectly crystal clear.

3) When I was Vindicator Bria and Astein were about constantly. During Oblain's time, for a large portion of it there was only one Tribunal imm and then for quite some time, no tribunal imms at all. To say he wouldn't/couldn't have made those positions is farce.

Bear in mind that my doing actions purposefully, did not generate nearly as many complaints (not even 1/2) that Oblain did 'by following the book' and maybe you'll see why I thought he wasn't a great vindicator.

As far as my own post, it was in referrence not to attacking someone who'd done nothing wrong. It was to thieving. This was not thieving, try to bend the laws in that post to show me a single thing done wrong. There's no possible legitimate interpretation that doesn't involve you leaving out words. The thief in that log stole under the literal sense. Yeitrai, imho, was justified.

You can bend laws, you cannot make them up, at the end of the day you still need a law to point to to show me their actions.

I'll even go more in depth into it:

I struck an entropy healer that gated to me. That's what I got booted for. When Astein 'chewed me out' he said, "Point to which law the healer broke that incurred your wrath". He then said, "Being that there were no laws that he broke, to incur your wrath, being that you were on duty when you attacked him, you were wrong." That's how I got my final title.

Appended :

If you're not failing to see the logic of using my actions to justify Oblains, bear in mind that I got thrown out of the cabal, insulted by Astein, and given a punishment title. I got this before I even heroed, for far fewer and lesser offenses then half of what Oblain committed.

Thanks for posting the link, I had forgotten about it. It's hard to better a classic debate, and the interpretations available on this one made it enjoyable. I love stirrin' the ole pot up a bit with a dash of roleplay and a smidgen of looove.

Yeitrai, Descendant of The Graatch

I've had a Vindicator before and spoken with both Astein and Bria at length. More or less to sum up my driving point here :

When you're a Vindicator you no longer get to try to sneak things in. There's no leniency anymore, because people both in the cabal and out of the cabal look at you as an example. You know why you aren't supposed to kill city guards and/or citizen mobiles while on duty? Ok, take the reasoning behind that thought and apply it to the perception of injustice within the Spire. Being a Vindicator is both a bonus and a burden. You are hired to do a job by the cities. The powers aren't there to help you boost your ratio 'off hours', they're there to provide the means to kill criminals. Once that Vindy tag is slapped on your name, there's a higher level of standard for your actions.

I've written dozens of things about the Tribunal stating a lot of similar things to what you're saying, about them being mercenaries and etc. But more or less each position in the spire has its own duties. Imagine it like the difference between what its acceptable for a traffic cop to do in public, compared to the Chief of police.

I'm actually beginning to think this situation was less Oblain and your fault, and more the fault of either changing direction for the Tribunal cabal or lack of immortal intervention on mistakes. Maybe now they've lowered the bar for being a Vindicator and Justiciar. If thats so then its sad, considering the positions (as Bria said to me) are supposed to be ones that are hard to get and harder to keep. Thats whats always justified the powers being as they were.

Again, you can enter the tribunal
We decided whom we ask to leave and whom we ask to stay
We decide what defines 'crime' in certain situations (not you or any other person, because the situation has another angle from person to person, what might seem right to you might be wrong for the magistrate in question) and I never '####ing' said I wasn't paying attention. Again, I won't go deeper into this blame game.

BTW to the implementor I had a talk to, isn't this all like I had told you it will be ? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

One last thing DC, if Kordenik wasn't protected, neither were you, why are you so sour on being attacked then ( you didn't bloody get fagged..err flaged)

Noticed how I was wielding wrathing weapons (managed to imagine that I didn't call for the attack and that I was pulled into it?)

Second, Kordenik was group with the two of us.
Third, you were not warranted for that, so why are you crying hoarse?
Fourth, I have a log of you and five other ganging 'me' but I care not enough to 'dig through my logs for that' (well I don't but it doesn't hurt to claim like you did, eh ?)

Again, get two things right, we had just earlier decided that daythat the walkway IS PROTECTED so attacks there are liable for warrants being issued, it was later that it was declared protected only for tribunal members and that too not so when counter raids occured.

Second, if it was unprotected for Kordenik it was unprotected for you, so Zaklotels attacking you and Oblains following the same show no mistake on either part (specially since your not-so-sorry ass wasn't flagged)

As far as I see, I didn't ever respond to your second message.
And my statement 'can be considered a crime' relates to the earlier tribunal discussion that concluded in 'treat fights on the walkway upon your discretion' by the 'authority'.

As for warrant sylvans .. I did it once, when I was rank 30something and when Jamain was about (for which I did get demoted), I haven't done it since. If I have done so then it has more to it that met you mortal (and defected) eye.
Again, I can claim you multi killed me and full looted me and raided me but I didn't want to take the trouble of finding the logs, but that wouldn't make it real...


Again, I struck the maran only when there was a criminal inside, you accusations are endless which would me my defending Oblain's role would be endless, woops, ain't got that much time, Chillax, eh?

Good luck, remember, a lot of things that seemingly happened with Oblain were not as they looked to be.

"Again, I struck the maran only when there was a criminal inside"


This is not true. With Ami, I observed you at least once, strike
the Fortress when there was not a criminal within.

In fact, you went ahead and killed the Maran, and a certain Scion
assassin proceeded to raid for the Orb.

It is a fact, that the criminal was no where near, nor did he ever
show up at the fortress. He did turn himself into you later.


Other than that, I just remember having a less than favorable memory
of you with Blrindlefrin, but that was long ago enough I don't even
remember why. (Had something to do with raiding other cabals, I think)


Dugruain

Drop me an email.


dugruain@yahoo.com

Again, I didn't raid.

I stood there (and there were not one, but two criminals, one of who quit immediately as soon as we approached the fortress)

Etarekoth raided and Umarojn DID come to the fortress and sit with the watcher, he asked me to leave and said if I don't raid he will give himself up, now, didn't the raiding actually help ?

What a perfect example of speaking without knownin' the facts.

The presence in the raid actually helped apprehend a criminal.

Kelrizza has done my defending but..

The log hardly says anything
Second, if attacking Kordenik on the walkway wasn't a crime (it wasn't since you were flagged) then attacking you isn't one either... and you point of the log then would be ?

Well, from my standpoint, you did a good job. You hunted the criminals and took the fights to them, even with the villagers. The little tuffle with the village was one of the funnest times I had as Nimaray! Good luck with your next char if you make it and thanks for all the help with ranking and that you gave us.

Nimaray.

The only time I ever saw you kick any real ass was when you had a few people with you. Be it a healer/invoker/necro or some combination of the three. I would have liked to see you fight alone, but never got the chance. That said, I wasn't overly impressed because It seemed from my perspective with a few chars that you avoided mano y mano combat at every instance I saw it presented to you.

Not a lot of love for ol' Oblain on the Graveyard!

I liked what I saw of Oblain's RP. You weren't the typical cookie-cutter Tribunal, which is a good thing. I never saw anything shady (*) with regard to your use or abuse of Tribunal powers. I figured you'd eventually wind up a Vindicator, though I had nothing to do with that (think I was out at sea when it happened). Just my gut feeling.

I definitely feel justified in giving you the tattoo; your name was known throughout Thera, and not just towards the end either. You obviously had an impact on a great many players, and, for your character, that's what I was looking for.

Good luck with your next one!

(*) Not that I was really looking for shady Tribunal power abuse; most of the time I spent watching you was while you were RPing, vice PKing. Unless you were attacking WANTED Villagers, of course!

You pincering maniac.
I personally knew you were crooked, no Sylvan bias at _ALL_ ;-)
Still can't believe you got away with pincering me in the middle of town in front of a Magistrate.
It was all fun though. Good job.

I must agree with some things I have read, the Spire was
becoming a palace west, and Lopner wasn't in any position
to try and change that, heh, being good like he was. I
got kicked out of the spire right before I deleted cause I
just couldn't take it. Gave me a nice title, though: "lopner,
the delusional avatar of self-pity" heh, funny stuff, eh?
Well, I guess you dying and Agraemas' betrayal were two of the
three factors that caused me to delete, so you played some sort
of role in Lopner's life. But all in all, I didn't know you well
at all, so I can't make too much definitive judgement on Oblain.

Bye

I liked ya Oblain! Even if most of our interaction consisted of me giving shields. ;)

I had no idea so many people dislike you.


And I must say, in all honesty, that Mond hated you too. But not for any of the reasons stated yet...mine was entirely IC, with no OOC'ness.


Because, in truth, you really did seem like you were actively TRYING to become a whipping boy or lackey of both the empire and the scions. And with (it seemed) only evils in the spire at the High ranks, it seemed that under your leadership, the Spire was turning into a "Palace west".


I even remarked about it too you, asking you something to the effect ... "Have you given up all pretense of NOT being whole-heartedly evil?" ... Those are not the exact words, but the question was the same...

You answer? "I like the sound of that."

Needless to say, a Squire did not like that answer one bit.

One, I've stated in the above reply why I attacked you.
Two, you knew it yet you asked, so I obviously am not to answer obvious questions.
Three, Deohrel and Gradaelus the next best thing to Tcatama, Belhrin,Maelgora team up after getting wanted and trying their hand at the spire...more like you are sylvans of the north eh ?

About that time on the river...yeah...ooc I understand that.

but that's not really what I was refering to.


What I was referring to was the Spire folk's habit of defending both the Chasm and the Palace from Fortress raids....when no empires or scions were about...and when none of the Fortress are wanted.


As for fortress being Grove North. Heh. I guess it always looks wrong from the other side. If you were in the Fortress you would know how off that is recently.

Hiding in other guilds to avoid pk attempts
Flagging people for retrieving
Hmmm I remember Socherion logging on just in time to shield you for a raid (gotta love the india cheating ring heh)
Not enforcing laws
Looting Tich one time when he wasn't even wanted in Galadon
To repeat what Vlad said who's the Imm you talk to to get that type of favitorism

I cant believe you all instantly start bitching him out. He was a good tribunal, loyal to the cause, and willing to fight for the Spire. I was with him and hung around him a lot and if he ####ed up once or twice, oh well, #### happens, I definately made plenty of mistakes in my life but learned from them and moved on. Oblain rocked regardless of what you few people say, there are plenty more out there who liked him.

Good job with this char Oblain, hope you had fun, too bad you had to kick the can though. You've got to tell me who the bloody hell you were, since you said something about it on my death post... Hope you roll up soon, you were a cool person to hang around with, see you soon.

Making mistakes is one thing. Intentionally breaking tribunal regulations and, likely, your character's role is something else entirely. Personally I only know of one instance where Oblain did something questionable, but others seem to be basing their judgements of Oblain on experiences of their own. That suggests, though doesn't "prove", that there may have been a good deal of "mistake-making" going on over the course of Oblain's life. Or it could just mean people are bitter because they broke the law and were caused to suffer for it.

Honestly being wanted is alot of fun but I like to earn it not attack the judge to get the sapling back.

Placing the blame on the Imms is unfair, not everything is watched and seen. In truth I agree that there were a lot of miscalls on procedure made, but its not about favoritism in the least in my opinion.

Using special guards against non criminals isn't a SMALL breach of the rules governing the Trib powers. I mean, you are given that much power because you are, in theory, supposed to be responsible enough to wield it. If you're misusing it so openly that everyone and their mother has seen you do it, and nothing is done in the way of a demotion/booting, that tends to just look really bad.

Misusing power ?
I'd like to see what you mean by that, I do not think I've ever used guards and attacked a non criminal or a person not related to the criminal.

If I am killing X and his buddy Y is near by, when X flees I will bash Y regardless of weather he is wanted or not.
As for 'using guards where there was no criminal about' .. DUDE, you don't have vigilance or the ability to see hidden/invis/and improved invis and also camo'd criminals, so how the '''' can you or any one else for that matter, judge if there is a criminal about or not ?

nt

.

..because he knows that if word gets out about who he is playting, he'll con die within a week. In all seriousness though, Tribunals should not get a second chance and should be punished as soon as they put a foot wrong. They are the only cabal that can PK out of range, permanently affect a characters record, give people mob deaths. One slip up and you're an ex-tribunal I say. The fact that a guy who obviously slipped up multiple times actually made Vindicator is just sick and wrong.

I actually agree with that. It seems to be that the better portion of Tribunal get punished for walking up the walkway wrong or looking sideways at the executioner (or thinking), while a select few go completely unchecked.
I don't remember it always being this way, but my memory isn't exactly stellar, either.

Hiding in other guilds to avoid pk attempts

When outnumbered you are allowed to do that, it is as bad as you hiding in your grove or going chameleon.


Flagging people for retrieving

Really, let us see a log of that ? I can accuse you of betraying me with a group of two while learning and what not..

Hmmm I remember Socherion logging on just in time to shield you for a raid (gotta love the india cheating ring heh)

Again, lets us see logs ?
I have logs of a raid where one warder was defending and three log on shortly after I begin the raid...


Not enforcing laws
Maybe that was criteria for becomming Vindicator ?
Sore losers, aren't we ?


Looting Tich one time when he wasn't even wanted in Galadon
Heh, really, that 'one time' was when Starkad slayed me and he looted my corpse... and btw if you don't ####ing know, I returned Tich's armor whenI killed him twice (so I'd obviously have no point in keeping it then)



To repeat what Vlad said who's the Imm you talk to to get that type of favitorism
Yes, enough is enough. I can't lie any more.
It is not an imm, its an Implementor.
The Implementor liked me so much that he refused me the chance to immortal with Oblain and demoted me when I tried to defend Socherion and warned me when I over did the village bit and encouraged me for doing what would normally take more than one to do.

Any more question ?