Sun May 2 12:35:08 2021

At 10 o'clock AM, Day of the Moon, 28th of the Month of Futility
on the Theran calendar Vager perished, never to return.

Race:	cloud
Class:	warrior
Level:	48
Alignment:	Neutral
Ethos:	Neutral
Cabal:	BATTLE, the BattleRagers, Haters of Magic
Age:	163
Hours:	50

NOO! I was looking forward to playing with you at hero rank!

I personally think that getting your first mage kill (as a neutral / neutral cloud giant) by asking a mage to group and then bashing him to death is in exceptionally poor taste.

But then you seemed new, so perhaps it's OK and just part of the acclimatization process.

I don’t know why everyone expects battleragers to play any nicer than the rest of the mud. Doesn’t say anywhere that zerkers must be morons.

It is a borderline evil thing to do in character. However, if you've been waiting for a long time for a mage to login, I can understand the urge. It doesn't have much to do with intelligence. Of the character anyway.

If you're playing a character that would actally act that (ie, someone with questionable morality, deceptive, and who doesn't mind lying about who he is) that's fine RP-wise.

Whether a random neutral-neutral cloud giant warrior is actually some multi-faceted, deceptive, hiding-who-he-really is Village scout or something.. well, it sounds interesting if that's what this character was. I'm not sure I believe that's the case though.

In general, most people aren't roleplaying being deceptive assholes.. they're just taking the easy route. Also, just from a sportsmanship perspective it's a pretty pathetic tactic.

nt

when I agree with you 100%

(n/t)

Invest 5$ to make 20$ for the community.

As echoed by a few, I'm not really a fan of asking anyone to group and then bash them down for your kill. And trust me, I KNOW the pain getting that kill. Its BS a lot of times. Now, I've asked people before "You traveling?Where?" I would never ask them to group.

The caveat is however IF you are sphere deception, or a sneaky bastard that is going for scout...or even could be stretched to defender...sure. So long as its within the role.

Hell, last year I made a mage to just sit around and let people get free mage kills because I know how much a pain in the ass it was. (nothing done ooc...just being nice to any and all) But I had 1 applicant ask me to group. Well...he WOULD have gotten the kill for free..but when I saw that BS I said hell no. Actually got a group and killed him :p

Requiring 1 mage kill, or currently 3 mage kills, for induction is fairly frustrating to anyone wanting to join the cabal. This has been argued multiple times. It rewards players who coordinate with friends for mage kills and punishes newbies who don't know the 'work arounds' and will likely end up eating 3 deaths consecutively if playing a mage.

My solution has always been give potential ragers 'applicant' status once they reach a certain threshold of magical items given to Tahren OR mage kill. You are destroying magic, you are doing something under your own control to do it. You literally cannot make a mage log in. Longest I have been is 3 weeks without a mage kill and that is after playing multiple hours a day. 3 weeks to basically start a character.

Maybe like if 40 hours and have given magical items to Tahren prompt the applicant quest.

Current system only encourages 'role breaking' or 'betrayal' behaviors. And by the way, asking someone to group and bashing them down didn't used to be a bad thing, a dead mage was a dead mage. Now everyone is held to parity/honor regardless of berserker status.

it makes too much sense

I'll give you my perspective. I simply will not consider any cabal that has a PK requirement pre-admission. I'm not saying they should not exist, I'm just saying that in 20+ years of CF, it's been a barrier which I did not have any interest in overcoming.

I will further make an observation that cabals that have PK requirements (Village, Fortress for Maran) appeal to certain category of players and perhaps could be philosophically more interesting if they also picked up other players. In other words, expand / break the "Spike" stereotype.

https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/38836/who-are-johnny-timmy-and-spike-and-what-do-they-do#:~:text=rush%20of%20competition.-,Spike%20enjoys%20the%20stimulation%20of%20outplaying,and%20the%20glory%20of%20victory.&text=Johnny%2C%20Timmy%2C%20and%20Spike%20are,the%20metagame%20for%20new%20expansions.

Back in the day, Village applicants not only had a wider target range but their odds of stumbling across newbs were higher.

Today, there's no such low-hanging fruit left. This leads to fairly absurd situations of the sort Ordasen described: him running around with a lowbie mage as a gesture of sympathy.

That's not yet mentioning the fact that this state of affairs is bound to encourage OOC coordination.

Grivektem the gnome invoker. (since they get hth at level 1)
Sphere Courage, maybe combat.

Role: Grivektem was forced into magical studies at a young age by his parents, but he always envied the other gnomes who learned to fight with their hands and weapons. Now, though he is mage through training, Grivektem is out to prove gnome magicians can be every bit the physical warrior as everyone else, and as such he sits in marketsquare all day waiting to pummel any and all would be aggressors with nothing but his tiny fists. He'll never run from a fight, even if he may lose, because he knows the fight itself is what matters, not the outcome. A pugilistic purist at heart, he uses his own magical abilities sparingly, and never in direct combat with any other would be heroes of Thera.

So I guess it's okay to encourage this "role breaking" only if you're a MARAN leader? Stop being a hypocrite. It's not good for the game.

You're spare parts bud.

Not sure what you’re getting at.

Well you did ask about becoming Cardinal last year with a certain character (can't remember if you claimed). Did you ever get a hat and book and dress red? :P

Pininip was Cardinal for a few days but accidentally killed a few city guards. He did a blood ritual to make amends and ended up conjuring Einoh. He got bludgeoned to death with a book by the new deity, who was confused and felt unreasonable after. The book was called 'Maranating Your Spirit in 12 months'. He has been giving the book rave reviews lately and bathing in the blood of the wicked and occasionally a city guard. The real story behind Pininip's deletion ya.

you're a cute koi