Mon May 15 14:09:06 2017

At 12 o'clock AM, Day of Deception, 16th of the Month of the Shadows
on the Theran calendar Seltie perished, never to return.

Race:	half-drow
Class:	thief
Level:	42
Alignment:	Neutral
Ethos:	Neutral
Cabal:	BATTLE, the BattleRagers, Haters of Magic
Age:	78
Hours:	129

Best "Bandit King of Hams" ever.

When I logged on, you were level 14. I attacked beckett 7 hours after logging on in Voralian. I didn't attack you again. When I logged out, you were level 18.

So, it's a long log I'd be happy to email to an IMM to verify (as if they have nothing better to do), but suffice to say what you described never happened. Maybe you have Seltie mixed up with another char. Maybe Seltie curb stomped your alt and you're mad about it.

Either way, your smear of this char is baseless.

NT

nt

..and attacked the group of 2 in Tir-Tilath while they were standing by the corpse of your alt that was still full of gear. Before you got chased to Voralian City.

nt

I have proof it never happened!
>Prove it.

NO!

So far as I can tell there's absolutely no evidence (much less proof) it DID happen. The story here is "thief attacks a ranking group and gets killed, and then another thief attacks the same group shortly afterwards." That's it. That's the entire story.

For some reason Lhydia is taking this as clear evidence of cheating. I'd be upset if I got accused of cheating based on literally nothing too. I don't think that's something this community needs. If you accuse somebody of something you should be ready to post clear evidence, otherwise keep your mouth shut.

Posting anon because I don't want to get dragged into e-drama with my forum handle, but I have absolutely no ties to Lhydia the player or Seltie (either the character or the player).

Stop being coy.

to post a log of something that didn't happen. I have no log of attacking his groupmate in Tir-Talath.

I have a log of me attacking his groupmate in Voralian. It's very long an spans his going from l14 to l18. I don't feel like breaking it up into 10 parts to post it when frankly it sounds like Lhydia's just trolling now anyway.

Notice how your log starts at <60%hp, paste the part before that from Tir-Tilath.

Hope that helps you narrow it down.

Welcome to The Carrion Fields. Let the bloodshed begin!
It is 6 o'clock AM, Day of Thunder
31st of the Month of Futility in the year 21 (6th Age).
Inside a Dark Stuffy Room


A small shifty-eyed man sits here sharpening a dagger.

NOTES : You have eleven new notes waiting.


civilized <100%hp 100%m 98%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 6 AM> whe
People near you:
(PK) Seltie Inside a Dark Stuffy Room

civilized <100%hp 100%m 98%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 6 AM> who
<22 H-Elf Asn> Ninjin the Master of Kotegaeshi, Shadow Dweller
<51 Elf Pal> Koidel Deikol the Champion of the Virtues
< Human AVA> Venara Scaramanga the Sounder of the Horn of Fate
<42 H-Drw Asn> Tsigu the Student of Owaza
<51 Mummy Nec> Neferefre the Mummy Lord, Anathema to the Empire, Magistrate of Hamsah Mu'tazz
<51 Human Shf> (WANTED) Delia the Grand Mistress of Changelings, Not Bacon
<20 Dwarf War> Grimmy the Warrior
<14 Storm Sha> (PK) Yarrow the Seer
<51 Felar Asn> Ruqyrym Ra'Cruwequei the Dai Sensei of the Miyama Ryu
< 3 Felar Ran> Ethe the Drifter
<14 Human War> (PK) Arrisuli the Mercenary
<13 H-Drw Nec> (PK) Beckett the Grand Theurgist
<23 Orc Ber> Xokrim the Marauder
<11 Dwarf War> (PK) Orn the Bodyguard
*14 H-Drw Thi* (PK) Seltie the Survivor

Players found: 15

civilized <100%hp 100%m 98%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 6 AM> hide
sneak
You attempt to hide.

civilized <100%hp 100%m 98%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 6 AM> You attempt to move silently.

Tranquility Promenade


A bright-eyed commoner is here, running his daily errands.
A stalwart peacekeeper garbed in ivory and gold regalia stands watch.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 77%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM> e

Arrisuli has arrived.
Beckett has arrived.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 77%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM> Tranquility Promenade



PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM> w
Tranquility Promenade


Beckett is here.
Arrisuli is here, fighting a commoner.
A bright-eyed commoner is here, running his daily errands.
A stalwart peacekeeper garbed in ivory and gold regalia stands watch.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM>
Arrisuli's wrath misses a commoner.
Arrisuli's ring shimmers with a soft white glow.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM>
A commoner's pound misses Arrisuli.
Arrisuli's wrath MUTILATES a commoner!
Beckett's oppressive heat injures a commoner.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM>
Beckett utters the words, 'yazfuz yucandus'.
A commoner is surrounded by a pink outline.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM>
A commoner is misled by Arrisuli's cunning feint.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM> trip beck
You step out of the shadows.
You trample around loudly again.
Your trip misses Beckett.
trip
Beckett yells 'Help! Seltie tried to trip me!'
Beckett is in perfect health.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4394tnl (18.63%) 1 PM>
A commoner's blow swings wildly and misses.
Arrisuli's wrath devastates a commoner!
Beckett's oppressive heat injures a commoner.
You have become better at dagger (83%)!
Your claw decimates Beckett!
Beckett has some small but disgusting cuts.

PROTECTED civilized <100%hp 100%m 76%mv 4384tnl (18.81%) 1 PM>
Beckett has fled!

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 5580tnl (2.11%) 3 AM> whe
People near you:
(PK) Seltie A Backroom

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 5580tnl (2.11%) 10 AM>
You no longer feel stealthy.

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 5580tnl (2.11%) 11 AM>

Autosaving.

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 5580tnl (2.11%) 2 PM> who
count
<23 H-Elf Asn> Ninjin the Master of Ukemi, Shadow Dweller
<16 Storm Sha> Yarrow the Diviner
<51 Felar Asn> Ruqyrym Ra'Cruwequei the Dai Sensei of the Miyama Ryu
<18 Human War> (PK) Arrisuli the Overseer
<19 H-Drw Nec> Beckett the Grand Sorcerer
*15 H-Drw Thi* (PK) Seltie the Robber
<51 Felar Asn> Armun Grayclaw the Dai Sensei of the Miyama Ryu
<51 W-Elf Ran> Aiya Wanwahina the Dweller of the Wilds, Chef of the Eternal Star
<26 Felar Ran> Frixx the Hillrambler
<14 Arial Thi> (PK) Meldros the Survivor
<12 W-Elf Dru> (PK) Amergon the Hunter
<51 Dwarf War> Okcahan the Legend of the Battlefield
< 1 Human Sha> Kalessin the Believer
<17 Orc Ber> (PK) Grulk the Bone Gnawer
<51 Elf Pal> Koidel Deikol the Champion of the Virtues
<21 Dwarf War> Grimmy the Strategist
<23 Orc Ber> Xokrim the Marauder

Players found: 17

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 5580tnl (2.11%) 2 PM> You see 17 of 19.
The most on today was 25.

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 5580tnl (2.11%) 2 PM> quit
You feel more accomplished in the world of commerce. You have earned 100 experience points this session.

Awaiting the hour of reprisal, your time slips away...

gr

The part where I log off as Seltie, log on as my other L15 thief rager hopeful, attack you and Beckett, die, then, before the next tick, I delete the ghost thief, log back on as Seltie and attack Beckett?

I couldn't find that part. So, whatever. I just wish you would not hurl such accusations toward anyone. Because even based on what you say you witnessed, cheating is the least plausible conclusion.

I've had ragers who didn't get a mage kill until the 40's and Seltie's was L31 I think. It really doesn't bother me.

Seltie out.

Once again, I'm just calling you out for ####.

Even here you paste yourself logging on, THEN SNIP THE PART WHERE YOU ATTACKED THE GROUP IN TIR-TILATH, then show after you healed up (probably at the healer) the fight continuing in Voralian City like I said.

You're pretty much just proving my point. The part of the log I'm about is while we were literally still looting this guys stuff where we realized he had quit instead of returning, you show up and attack AT THE CORPSE. You almost die to chill touch, then you flee. Very easily can happen in 7 ticks.

At this point you will probably doctor a log up and that's fine too, I don't care. I'm literally just saying you don't have to cheat to get a mage kill and I feel like I made my point. If you do not feel like this describes your rager playstyle then just move on. If I was actually wrong that is what a normal person would do after saying 'you're wrong'. I don't even know which player you are, I don't care. I don't just randomly hate on people unless I know them, true story.

NT

I don't know anyone on this board enough to know if you're joking, FYI.

He said I deleted the dead thief, logged on as Seltie and attacked him in the same tick. If that's true, this shows I wasn't the other thief because I would have been logged in for 6 hours before the other thief died.

Of course, it's not true, because I was in Voralian for more than an hour before I attacked Beckett and I saw no one attack him, though he was covered with bleeding wounds when I arrived.

This whole thread now has me bored.

..with one thief and logging in this thief to finish the kill immediately (within a tick) for your mage kill attempt was cheating.

You suck.

it's so blatant I have a hard time being angry about it and not laughing. sorry it happened to you bro.

gr

nt

gr

NT

you going all OOC when I killed you at the giant. But I didn't know what you were talking about then and I still don't.

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gr

Just wanted to call out your #### so maybe you wouldn't do it again. Denying it is fine. Just know that people notice stuff like that more often than not.

I didn't cheat to get a mage kill. First you said I tried to kill you with a second character after you killed the first. Now you say you were a l 15 warrior. I don't know what you're talking about and am starting to wonder if you know yourself.

If you'll kindly explain how I cheated and who I was trying to kill, I'll be happy to prove you wrong with logs. Otherwise, how about not accusing people of cheating when you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

Thief #1 attacks the two while they fight a merchant mob after warrior engages. Thief #1 dies to chill touch somehow in 3 rounds.

Thief #1 quits immediately, does not even attempt to come back to corpse for any gear.

Thief #2 (Seltie) is in Tir-Tilath within 1-2 ticks attacking Necro while gear is sorted. Almost dies, flees convulsing.

Seltie is on who list at the very bottom during a pretty active time frame.

Shady as ####. But like I said, it doesn't really matter.

Are you sure it wasn't in Voralian?

Because I attacked a necro/warrior pair in Voralian around l 15 and was on the bottom of a who at the time.

Were you Arrisuli?

gr

Seltie logged on 7 hours before he attacked beckett in Voralian. You two were killing commoners. Beckett was in perfect health when I attacked.

Seltie didn't get his first mage kill until around level 31. If I was into cheating to get a mage kill, I would have had one at level 11.

So, you're wrong. But thanks for trying to char/player assassinate me with no evidence.

You're right in that I don't have 'evidence' because I wasn't logging, but I assure you I wouldn't have remembered the situation if you hadn't attacked the same tick the alt died and didn't return to corpse.

Do you realize that even if everything happened the way you say it did, there's a much greater chance that

1) some lowbie deleted after you killed him and a totally different player attacked you in the same tick.

And there's an almost 0 chance that:
2) You killed my l 14 thief rager wannabe, so I delete him and log on as my OTHER l 14 thief rager wannabe (because I always make clone characters) who happened to have logged out some time prior in the same place you killed the first character so I could attack you. In the same tick.

Do you realize how crazy that sounds?

I have a log of Seltie attacking you 2 in Voralian. Like I said, I'd been logged on for 7 hours and Beckett was in perfect health when I attacked him. So my conclusion is that you are prone to conspiracy theories and you don't mind trashing people or their characters on a death thread based on one.

Don't you see where that might be a little weird considering I know you attacked first in Tir-Tilath? You know....right after your alt died and didn't go back to his corpse?

No weirder than you having no log of something that made such an impression on you that you accuse someone of cheating 2 months after the fact.

Did you pray about it? No. Log it? No. You just make up a VERY implausible story to explain why someone attacked you after a fight. Wow, that's never happened before.

You are a crazy person. Why would I have two l14 thief rager wannabes in the first place? Maybe you should go with the simplest explanation...not the batsh*t crazy conspiracy theory.

Besides, if I attacked you the same tick the thief died and you chased me to Voralian, how do you know the dead thief didn't come back for his things?

Can you even delete that quickly after dying? Wouldn't he have to go LD? And if someone logs in as another char after their first goes LD, wouldn't that attract the attention of every IMM online?

You're an idiot.

Also stop cheating.

I don't even think that what you accuse me of could even be done with the current code.

And by the way it's no grand accomplishment to fend off a l14 thief who cannot use magic with a warrior/necro.

I suspect Seltie killed one of your alts based on the similarity of nonsensical whining I endured after your death and I took your red-gold armor. Any attempt to deny this will only confirm it.

Some of us don't have to cheat to win.

And I didn't have any nonsensical whining because you didn't kill me, and there was no red-gold dragon armor. I promise you I wouldn't have raised an issue on your auto-delete if I didn't have one.

I never interacted with you otherwise and from any lack of response based on this characters death other than 'you cheated' you probably didn't have much invested or contributed to begin with. You know, other than the mage-kill cheating.

Look, it's good, but it's not the greatest. Just pay someone to get you more.

We all know that you *only* play assassins and paladins so it obviously is a lie when you claim to have been a warrior. Pro was right all along.... You sir really are a convicted liar. For shame.

Hugs.

gr

We are still feuding because you never emailed me back with Gituku's postmortem.

NT

He plays thieves too!

EDIT: After reading further I see this was already addressed. At least the logs confirm it.

Can you confirm or deny that the player of Seltie was also playing the half-elf thief that died in Tir-Tilath?

I'm still curious.

I could easily see Pro saying it was him just for ####s and giggles so I don't know whether or not I should apologize to the guy for obliterating his death thread, although it doesn't look like he was going to respond anyway.

I haven't read this whole thread, but it caught my attention and I was curious what the logs would reveal.

It looks like on March 3 Beckett was attacked by a 15th level H-Elf thief named Kyth (11:21:12). Kyth died to Beckett and Arrisuli (11:25:16). Kyth logged out 9 seconds after dying (11:25:25). He logged back in 11 seconds later (11:25:36) as a character I won't name, but not Seltie. (EDIT: It was Orn, now that I know he's deleted.)

Seltie was playing a marathon session that day, but quit a couple times during it for short breaks. For this time window, Seltie quit at 10:05:36 and logged back in at 11:29:48. Seltie initiated combat with Beckett at 11:33:33.

Kyth and Seltie do not share IP addresses.

Assuming I have the right day/incidents, this information may be helpful in settling the dispute.

nt

I apologize. It looked shady as hell from my end.

Thanks Scarabaeus.

I can be pretty suspicious when it comes to timing like that, but this appears to be a simple coincidence.

nt

gr

Seriously, don't attack someone's integrity without proof. As this incident should show you, you can be wrong no matter how much you believe you're right.

Thankfully, this is a CF forum and you learned this without harming an innocent person.

The fictional character Seltie who has no forum handle associated with it and wasn't going to to begin with is really going to suffer based on my calling out a specific situation and asking for proof that it didn't happen when I was told I was wrong.

I didn't realize you took Trib so seriously. I will try to harm no more innocents in future postings.

aside from sticking a baseball bat in someone's arse, is pounding at them IMMEDIATELY after they apologized. You'll only make them angry at you and sorry for apologizing, and achieve nothing of note.

Wait until they slip next time and then refer to this discussion, it will be so much more painful and will win you yet another important internet discussion!

You just made the list too.

Me and Pro have an alliance now and we combined lists so you're on it now so eat it.

You're on my exclusive "I love jalim" list which is permanent :)

I said nothing when he apologized. I said something when he posted a <3.

You bastard