Thanks for the reply. As I said it could go either way so given its gone this way ...

There is no echo for the entwine ... Should there be one? Vanish/Word have an echo indicating that the weapon has been unentwined.

Without the echo ... my issue was if entwined and they do a flip but hide in the same room and cant walk off cause they are entwined surely I could just pull on the entwining weapon and bring them back out keeping combat going ... I do after all have a point of contact to the victim. Which is different to flipping and hidding from a bash down/trip down etc.